Will Johanns join the Gang of 8 on Immigration?

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Mike Johanns 504 091711 02The IRS, Justice Department and Benghazi scandals continue to rock DC and consume pretty much 135% of the political air and airwaves. But in the meantime, some are concerned that the those scandals will pull attention away from the legislative politics in DC and allow some issues to slip through the cracks.

The Immigration Reform bill scittering around the Senate and House is still looking to find various Republican supporters. Retiring U.S. Senator Mike Johanns of Nebraska, who had initially signaled his relatively firm opposition to the bill, has apparently been targeted as one who could be flipped. Ag immigration reform is apparently his issue, and many note that as a lame duck, he may feel that he can pretty much fly as he wants (get it?!) without much concern about what the constituents back home think.

Except that Johanns has never really struck us as that type of legislator.

We would be surprised if he didn’t take into account the feelings of a vast majority of Nebraskans when considering his vote on what many believe to be a bloated and wildly unbalanced immigration bill. People will bicker about some of the details, but the fact that it does nearly zero for border control, gives amnesty to lawbreakers and will mean massive, massive increases in government spending over the next twenty years at least, should give pause to anyone looking at the thing. And of course, if you were an immigrant thinking about taking your chances to illegally enter the U.S., you would have greater incentive to go for it, right? Heck another amnesty bill will be just a few more years away!

It was interesting to see the national story making the rounds about Deb Fischer’s recent constituent meets around the state. A big chunk of the story notes Nebraskans vehemently telling Fischer to vote against the bill — which Fischer has promised that she will do (vote against it, that is). Fischer certainly hasn’t been Washingtonized to ignore her constituents when it is clear that they can see bad legislation.

We will watch to see if Johanns can be led down the buddy-path in the Senate, to be convinced that he is doing something for the “greater good”. That is one of those paths that is always filled with good intentions…

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An interesting turn in the upcoming Senate-race follies, as the LJS’s Don Walton notes that at a recent speech, Governor Dave Heineman sounded like a Senate candidate. This apparently after he talked to some former-Governor, now-Senators, to get their scope on the newer gig. (Oh an the NRSC is likely giving him the heavy sell as well.)

This would be a change from what we have been hearing about Governor Dave’s decision process — but then only he really knows. (Though Heineman has confirmed a June deadline set for himself.)

This on the heels of former NEGOP Chairman Mark Fahleson tweeting his support of Midland University President Ben Sasse for a Senate candidacy. Fahleson indicated that he was tweeting all on his own — with the hopes of convincing Sasse that he should run.

You may remember when we talked about a potential Sasse candidacy back in February. If Heineman is out, Sasse could be a big maybe with the likes of Shane Osborn, Pete Ricketts and likely Jeff Fortenberry as being “ins”.

A Governor Dave 300 lb gorilla-dunk would be nice, but a full-on primary would be oh so much more interesting, no? (Are we biased on this point???)

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And we didn’t really say too much about Omaha Mayor-elect Jean Stothert’s 360-slam (keeping with the NBA finals-esque theme) over Mayor Jim Suttle.

It was an interesting story from the OWH from various voters noting the themes that the Stothert campaign hammered against Suttle. (And so just maaaaaybeeee Stothert wasn’t wasting her money when she was running TV ads early after the primary…)

And usually in these races we don’t like to be sour grapes on a the loser or winner or whomever.

But, in this case…

How about Suttle and the Fire Department deciding to…fire… Stothert’s husband from the Department’s medical director position — which HE HAD BEEN DOING FOR FREE!

And there was some very vague type of reasoning they barely attempted to set for sending him off — but let us all be crystal clear: It was payback for Jean Stothert — not Dr. Joseph Stothert — taking a hard line against the Fire Department. (You remember the Fire Department guys. The ones who (allegedly) came up with the Stothert stripper-poll t-shirts.)

So when the Omaha voters finally dumped Jim Suttle the hell out of office, they did what the American electorate could not bring themselves to do: get rid of the dirty-politics liberals.

We have no doubt that the aforementioned IRS scandal is the tip of the iceberg for the Obama Democrats, who feel entitled to use their elected offices to persecute their political enemies. But it is really just sad to see Suttle and the Fire Department make the exact same moves — and Omahans get to pick up the bill. They not only lose Dr. Stothert’s knowledge and expertise, but now they get to pick up the bill too.

Gee, it is a wonder why Omaha voters kicked Suttle to the curb.

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1 Gee May 20, 2013 at 5:55 AM

And gee, former U.S. Senator Ben Nelson kicked himself to the curb, knowing full well what Nebraska voters intended to do to him.

But isn’t it interesting that no one has yet asked Ben Nelson about the IRS, or the crook at the IRS who will be taking over an important part of of the IRS’s ObamaCare. ObamaCare, brought to you courtesy of Ben’s corrupt Cornhusker Kickback in the US Senate.

Interesting also that no one has yet asked Bob Kerrey about the recently convicted partial-birth abortionist in Philadelphia. Wonder if Bob still believes that protecting partial-birth abortion is a reasonable stance in a civilized society.

2 RWP May 20, 2013 at 6:38 AM

Conservatives have yet to learnt he sort of bare-knuckle tactics the left uses. For example, the Fire Unions can get away with this sort of thing, knowing that there will be no significant retaliation.

There were two excellent columns over the weekend. One is by John Kass of the Chicago tribune, describing why his family, intensely interested in politics, never got involved. Basically, if you’re in business in Chicago, getting involved in politics is suicidal unless you’re in bed with the Party apparatus.

The other was in National Review, about how the business belonging to the founder of ‘True the Vote’ has been repeatedly targeted by Obama’s OSHA, IRS and even the FBI.

3 TexasAnnie May 20, 2013 at 7:03 AM

Republicans are just as bad as Democrats when it comes to dirty politics.

4 T&A May 20, 2013 at 7:20 AM

And that’s your apology for the Democrats? “Repubs do it too!” The air of entitlement and lack of accountability with this administration is beyond staggering.

5 Sunday Morning Shows May 20, 2013 at 7:39 AM

I heard nothing but “Bush did something too!” and “It’s the corporations fault!” for the IRS scandal. Child please.

6 Warning shot to MJ May 20, 2013 at 8:02 AM

I think MJ will have learned his lesson as he is an astute watcher of history, and knows that Ben Nelson was essentially shunned by Nebraskans after his Obamacare vote. I don’t think Mike wants to be booed out of Nebraska restaurants. He and Stephanie actually want to live in Nebraska after his term.

7 Anonymous May 20, 2013 at 8:09 AM

Nixon? Agnew? Gingrich and his many wives? Kennedy and his haram? Johnson’s strong-arm tactics? Clinton? Royal families (Kennedys, Bushes)? Mark Sanford? Anthony Weiner?

PI budgets?

The air of entitlement and the lack of accountability of the entire political class and both parties is STAGGERING. Members of both parties fight all day and party at the same bars all night. Both parties claim to have principles. The principle is winning elections. Period. Everything else is up for grabs.

8 Anonymous May 20, 2013 at 8:21 AM

Immigration is largely driven by agriculture’s need for cheap labor.

Nebraska ag sector has gross revenues of $3 billion annually.

It is interesting to compare that figure to Monterey County, CA. One California county has gross, annual revenues of $2.81 billion. And that county uses migrant labor. A lot of it. It has been doing so since the “Bracero” program of the ’40s. Those good, Republican agribusiness entrepreneurs are not – let me repeat this for emphasis – NOT – going to give up cheap labor.

Dole Foods (gross revenue $6.9 billion) is not going to let Nebraska voters or Nebraska senators interfere in its business. They don’t care about ridiculous dogma, and they will put a whoopin’ on anyone who gets in their way.

9 Macdaddy May 20, 2013 at 8:35 AM

1. RWP, don’t leave out the ATF surprise visits. That’s an awful lot of coincidences there to not have this directed.

2. For you firefighters out there, your leadership is corrupt. Don’t think they won’t stab you in the back or steal you blind if they feel they need to. You need to fix this now.

3. Nebraska’s agriculture is not labor dependent like Florida’s and California’s. Johanns should do the right thing and not vote for the Gang of Eight proposal. Obama is currently letting over 99% of captured illegal immigrants go including hundreds of actual criminals. He granted one of the Boston bombers citizenship despite Russia warning them about his radicalization. Currently a full 50% of illegal aliens are people who overstayed their visas. We have no way to track anything and Obama is clearly lying when he says he’ll abide by the “enforcement” provisions in the bill. On top of that, millions more will be added to government welfare, including Obamacare which is now slated to cost twice as much as the original estimates. This bill is all wrong.

10 RWP May 20, 2013 at 8:39 AM

Nebraska’s agriculture is not labor dependent like Florida’s and California’s.

Macdaddy:

Good you pointed this out. Your average Lincoln/Omaha lib probably thinks the migrant workers are out there in the fields in September picking the soybeans by hand.

And shelling those babies is a mutha! You can’t get Americans to do that kind of work!

11 RWP May 20, 2013 at 8:42 AM

I see TA is out there defending the Dems using the standard ‘they do it too’ defense, instead of backing a conservative fellow Texan trying to run a small business, being persecuted by Obama’s crew of Chicago goons.

The sheep’s clothing is getting holey, TA!

12 Anonymous May 20, 2013 at 9:08 AM

RWP & Macdaddy, its all well & good for Deb Fischer to take a stand on principle, but the immigrant labor decision has already been made by the Pebble Beach set – the 1% of the 1%. The incumbent president and Senate members are irrelevant. The relevant opinion and decision is Doles, and companies like Dole. Enjoy your steak salad boys, I know I do.

13 RWP May 20, 2013 at 12:39 PM

Meanwhile, on a lighter note, in his weekly column about how the Republican Party he despised 20 years ago was so much better than the Republican Party he despises now, Don Walton performed the following astonishing verbal contortion.

Bereuter, a conservative Republican whose House record leaned toward moderate or center-right…

Gotta admire that mid-sentence twist from a man who must easily be in his seventies! He’s a rubber-nad, folks!

14 RWP May 20, 2013 at 12:40 PM

9:08. You may be right. But it’s not the way I would bet.

15 RWP May 20, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Yikes, that was rubber band! My spell checker has a dirtier mind than I!

16 TexasAnnie May 20, 2013 at 12:48 PM

I have made no “defense” of Democrats above. I do not endorse Democrats. I rarely vote for Democrats.

RWP is, once again, assuming and accusing, along w/T&A above.

17 RWP May 20, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Of course you did, TA. ‘The other guys are just as bad’ is a defense. I find it a particularly stupid one, but then it’s usually used by liberals.

18 Macdaddy May 20, 2013 at 1:32 PM

You know what is labor intensive? De-tasseling corn. The Labor Department tried to turn that into a job Americans won’t do.

19 Macdaddy May 20, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Anon 8:21: I missed the point you were making. Yes, bigger interests than Nebraska are pushing for ever cheaper labor to exploit. The sad part is that the Democrats once again display their feckless quest for power by also exploiting those same people. All is not lost, though. Now that we have figured out why the Tea Party was absent in 2012, ie, Obama cheated and abused the power of the federal government, politicians will need to be very, very careful. 2014 will be the year of the challenger.

20 Anonymous May 20, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Macdaddy’s off his meds, again. Do you really believe your last post?

21 Macdaddy May 20, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Every last word, though my cynicism makes the last sentence hard to hold on to. To summarize HL Mencken: no politician ever lost office underestimating the intelligence of the American people.

22 Anonymous May 20, 2013 at 4:46 PM

If you give a feck about every iconoclastic cause and nutty idea that comes down the pike, you probably do end up feckless.

23 TexasAnnie May 20, 2013 at 5:18 PM

Evidently RWP believes EITHER one is a Republican OR one is a Democrat. Either one is right-wing conservative or one is left-wing liberal. His dichotomy forsakes the vast majority of Americans. And this notion is why Republicans lost the last election and will probably continue to lose elections…

Y’all can follow RWP’s lead or think for yourselves. Sometimes the official Republican philosophy is correct; sometimes it’s not. To accuse one of being “liberal” because one does not waste time writing on blogs that Democrats are B-A-D is sheer folly.

24 Anonymous May 20, 2013 at 5:40 PM

Two parties = being politically bi-polar. Time to find some political lithium.

25 Tonic & Tonic May 20, 2013 at 9:42 PM

Anyone who talks about agriculture had better know their way around the cab of a tractor. Farmers including Nebraska’s farmers are already benefitting from cheap labor. They all use co-ops… that’s where you write checks to a business that you own part of and you receive a check for your share of the profit at the end of the year. These farmers have never been better off than they have been in the last 8 years thanks to bloated ag bills ( you know, the kind that SEN. MJ votes for).

No doubt Fischer will keep pace on these big ag bills… that’s what her western NE voters want. God forbid we let the effing free market work. The trouble there is- we would no longer grow sugar beets in Colorado (incredibly inefficient) and the soy bean market would collapse (because they’re not ACTUALLY good for anything.

26 Anonymous May 20, 2013 at 11:08 PM

In other news, State Sen Krist has once again wedged the fence he tries to straddle way up were the sun don’t shine. He wanted the sales tax increase but then a freeze on changes to sales tax? He continues to think people don’t see him as the putz he is. Heck he still thinks the Cancer trial tests he tried to get the statemtompay for, for his good old friend from Albuquerque, was a great deal? Governor still has to wonder how the hell he appointed such a pain in the a$$.

But hey it only gets better as the final days of the legislative session wind down. Oh and how about the reporter from the LJS running a vote card for the Libs on LB577? Kind of shows who is running things on the floor.

27 TexasAnnie May 21, 2013 at 6:47 AM

Don’t know my way around the cab of a tractor, Tonic & Tonic! But it appears you are characterizing REPUBLICANS populating western Nebraska…

28 Anonymous May 21, 2013 at 9:28 AM

“Anyone who talks about agriculture had better know their way around the cab of a tractor.” Yeah, like the president of Monsanto gives a flying yank about tractors and those who drive them.

Say “family farmer” and the response you are probably trying to evoke is wrapping yourself in the flag and weeping. More often that family farmer is a corporate employee. If they are truly a small businesswoman/man, they are effectively employees of the bank(s) financing them. Otherwise they are employees, responsible for the creation of industrial feedstocks into transnational corporations.

It’s not like the hungry poor are waiting for some small portion of those vast fields of corn & soybeans you see in commercials or on the backs of in-flight magazines. That INEDIBLE stuff is not food, not even remotely. I believe it was Nixon’s secretary of ag who was responsible for the generational effort of the Federal government to drive the price of food down to the bone (no pun intended). What became “food” has everything to do with fueling our sedentary lives (I am a particularly bad example, and that is completely my fault) with things like high-fructose corn syrup. I know, people say “It’s just sugar.” No one of our evolutionary ancestors ate it. If you’re a creationist, there’s no mention of it in Scripture either. HFCS is evil, fit only for biodiesel.

29 Anonymous May 21, 2013 at 9:29 AM

“…into the transnational corporations they work for, directly or indirectly.”

30 Anonymous May 21, 2013 at 10:03 AM

Texas Annie, what is it with you and Republicans? And RWP? What’s the heartburn?

31 Anonymous May 21, 2013 at 10:26 AM

@10:03, it’s fun to argue. Not physical violence, not trolling to the point of stalking. No wishing anyone or their family & friends any harm of any kind. The Libertarian Party has only one requirement to join, and that is “To validate my membership, I certify that I oppose the initiation of force to achieve political or social goals.”

Politics is not and cannot be a spectator sport. Some people limit their involvement to the ballot box, as is their right. Others like the proverbial “sausage factory.” Think of TexasAnnie as a freelance consultant and safety inspector. The great thing about politics is that no one needs any permission to assign themselves that role.

32 TexasAnnie May 21, 2013 at 11:35 AM

Republicans are false prophets.

“Freelance consultant and safety inspector.” I think I like that!
While living in Nebraska and while Statepaper was up, I was the “Moral Monitor!”

33 Anonymous May 21, 2013 at 12:21 PM

Why Harding & Edwards?

34 Interested Observer May 21, 2013 at 1:03 PM

“Republicans are false prophets.”??????????????????????????

You’re painting with your very broad brush again, Annie. Can you possibly speak in greater generalizations than that?

How do you make such an outrageous declaration and then change the subject? Nice substantiation.

35 @ anon 12:21 May 21, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Why Dave “Ill suck the money out of your city” Kramer? Thats the scariest one out of the bunch.

36 Anonymous May 21, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Harding, Edwards, Kramer. I don’t recall voting for any of these people when I voted for Stothert. Here’s the deal: government is not business. A business owner can hire whoever they want, and fire them for cause or not. Likewise, employees are always free to leave.

These guys should work under continuous probation with quarterly evaluations the first year, and semi-annual evaluations thereafter. Lest someone complain “You can’t work that way” say “Well, I did. When working for a mental health agency.” One mistake and I was out. I worked at that agency 5 years and departed on very good terms. No mistakes, at least that my boss thought I should be canned for.

Of course this should have been done for all past mayoral administrations. It would have prevented a lot of problems.

37 TexasAnnie May 21, 2013 at 2:17 PM

You can read this about the Constitution from the Republican Platform (2012), Interested Observer:

“That sacred document shows us the path forward. Trust the people. Limit government. Respect federalism. Guarantee opportunity, not outcomes. Adhere to the rule of law. Reaffirm that our rights come from God, are protected by government, and that the only just government is one that truly governs with the consent of the governed.”

How much of that do you think adheres to the Constitution? Do you think the Republicans trust the people with regard to overwhelming support for gun registration, abortion, and health care? Do you think Republicans work to limit government when they vote for warfare, subsidies, and bail-outs? Do Republicans guarantee opportunity for the underprivileged, gay and immigrant populations? Do you believe that our rights come from God? Do you believe that our rights are protected when government snoops on us or sends drones to kill some without benefit of a trial? Republicans overwhelmingly voted for the Patriot Act and it’s incarnations together with their Democrat colleagues…etc.

But you’re right Interested Observer. My brush was too broad. Ron and Rand Paul come to mind. And they, too, are Republicans! Hee-hee.

38 Gerard Harbison May 21, 2013 at 6:01 PM

Overwhelming support for abortion and ObamaCare? Damn, that Texas locoweed is more powerful than I thought.

39 TexasAnnie May 21, 2013 at 6:18 PM

Again RWP assumes and accuses! What I wrote was that THE PEOPLE overwhelmingly support abortion and health care. And they do, nationwide. Poor RWP. He’s having difficulty with his comprehension.

40 TexasAnnie May 21, 2013 at 6:36 PM

On abortion, see PollingReport.com of May 2-7, 2013:
26% believe it should always be legal; 52% believe it should sometimes be legal.

I’ve got to locate the new poll I read on health care (I did not write ObamaCare. RWP likes to change premisses to suit his arguments…)

41 Cooper May 21, 2013 at 7:21 PM

Now overwhelmingly = 52% Come on.

42 TexasAnnie May 21, 2013 at 8:48 PM

You having trouble reading also, Cooper? You have to ADD the 26% to the 52%…

43 Cooper May 21, 2013 at 8:56 PM

You are right, let me start over. If a poll asks if you are in favor of abortion, only 26% unequivocally said yes. 52% said well maybe but I don’t know.

44 Cooper May 21, 2013 at 9:11 PM

Yet you want to say 78% of the people are in favor of abortion. I have a bridge for sale, interested?

45 In the Know May 21, 2013 at 9:34 PM

Harding, Edwards, and Kramer seem like a good group of different minds and opinions to help Jean find her staff.

46 Friendly Fire May 21, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Looks like Omaha Senator Bob Krist has fragged veterans. Senator Krist has filed an amendment to expand MEDICAID on a bill to help veteran owned companies. Just when it looks like veteran’s will catch a break Sen Krist has to play D.C. politics.

I sure hope the veteran’s, and their families, remember how willing Senator Krist was to screw Veteran’s AND raise taxes in his next election. He feels the state should take the “Free” Federal money…….. typical BS that is running the country into historic debt.

47 TexasAnnie May 22, 2013 at 5:08 AM

No Cooper. Look up the poll. There are some who never favor abortion, 20%, and only 2% who are unsure. Gotta’ fly this morning. Have fun debating without any resolution…

48 Lil Mac May 22, 2013 at 7:58 AM

Polls are useful for predicting elections. But polls steering incumbents? Demanding issues be resolved this or that way? Not in the United States of America.

This is a Republic. The “trust the people” part happens only when they vote. After that, our elected incumbents do as they damn well please. And for good reason.

Street Sweeper wonders how Sen. Johanns will vote on an issue. That’s up to Johanns. His power is temporary but 24/7 while he has it. Voters’ power is permanent but occasional, only on Election Days. The rest of the time incumbents who don’t want eggs thrown at them will comply with the mood of their constituency. But not always. And that is necessary. Because when 51% of polled voters want to lynch some people, in a polled Democracy, that lynching becomes the law. But not in our Republic, where those we elect to have an incumbent’s perspective and power to say otherwise.

Franklin was right, nothing is perfect, including us. Our checks and balances aren’t there because incumbents are selfless or voters wise. Given time, wisdom and altruism rise to the top of the human barrel of selfish stupidity like a helpful scum or an antibiotic from moldy bread. Polls may be useful but the balance of power in this Republic is key.

49 Anonymous May 22, 2013 at 9:12 AM

Well said, Lil’ Mac. You’ve just justified freedom of speech as the 1st amendment. Think of it as a democratic, populist check on representative overreach. Elected officials need freedom to do the job asked of them and not be micromanaged – no one likes to be second-guessed constantly. In this way elected officials and employees are alike.

Elected officials and employees are NOT alike in this way. As an employee – and I greatly favor employment-at-will for the freedom it offers employees, not because of the freedom it offers employers – I live in a democratic-republic, but I don’t work in one. The issue of corporate governance and whether the military model of corporate organization is appropriate another matter.

Each and every decision and action of every and any government employee and elected official is open to question, scrutiny and explanation at any time, by anyone, for any reason or none. That muscle requires constant exercise. Without it you end up with million dollar payouts to cops that no one knows about. You end up with public school boards that doesn’t do due diligence when hiring a new superintendent. You end up with “secret” NSA data centers in Utah vacuuming up all electronic communication, etc.

Oh, word to “In The Know” at 9:34 PM last night, you end up with at least one retreads like Kramer and Harding. Why? They’re probably nice guys but they’ve had their day, haven’t they? Stothert made a decision to go with some experienced hands. Experience is good and bad. Again, as Lil’ Mac says, once the voters have spoken and had their say, they, in a sense, “trust” the person they elected to do what they claimed they were going to do during the campaign. That claim is under constant public scrutiny and challenge. Every mayor – Stothert, Suttle, Fahey, Daub, Anzaldo (acting) needs scrutiny – the mayor and her or his staff. We don’t need a Dahlman or Dennison ever again.

50 RWP May 22, 2013 at 9:46 AM

Again RWP assumes and accuses!

You’re right. I generally assume what you post will be disingenuous at best and arrantly dishonest at worst, and the more you prate about ethics, the more likely you’re being both. And I accuse you of outright tendentiousness in your claim about abortion. To favor abortion being legal in case of rape, incest or gross fetal abnormality is not ‘to favor abortion’, any more than a person who will pardon stealing when its done to keep a person’s family from starvation can be said to support theft.

Intellectual honesty requires you tell all relevant facts, TA. You claim you want debate, but you seem to have no conception of what an honest debate requires.

51 Anonymous May 22, 2013 at 10:06 AM

“To favor abortion being legal in case of rape, incest or gross fetal abnormality is not ‘to favor abortion’, any more than a person who will pardon stealing when its done to keep a person’s family from starvation can be said to support theft.” You won’t find this in the Summa, but not everybody reasons like Angelic Doctor.

52 The Grundle King May 22, 2013 at 10:17 AM

“HFCS is evil, fit only for biodiesel.”

How does one make biodiesel from HFCS? I’m no chemist, but this caught my eye as being patently absurd.

53 Anonymous May 22, 2013 at 10:50 AM

I bet Johans votes yes on immigration if he can get some votes for his amendments to the farm bill.

54 RWP May 22, 2013 at 10:52 AM

I don’t give a flying fig for scholasticists anyway. Point is, what do we mean by ‘favor abortion’, in the context in which a poll question is asked. Is it like ‘favor the New York Yankees’? If you take that meaning, we might want to include only those who want there to be more abortions. But the way most people understand the question is ‘do you think abortions should be legal under the circumstances most abortions currently are performed’. And the fact is, most people don’t think purely elective abortions should be legal. On the other hand, most people are bright enough to parse the question ‘under some circumstances’ to include ‘to save the life of the mother’, ‘to terminate an unviable pregnancy or one caused by rape or incest’, etc..

55 RWP May 22, 2013 at 10:53 AM

GK:

You may be no chemist, but your absurdity detector appears to be well-adjusted.

56 Anonymous May 22, 2013 at 11:14 AM

Anonymous Douche (aka Grundle King) and RWP – I’m no chemist, but I am not inclined to eat an industrial feedstock just because some nutter said it was “food” or an edible food additive. Is that absurd?

57 RWP May 22, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Please tell us which industrial processes use HFCS as a feedstock.

58 A Winning GOP May 22, 2013 at 11:58 AM

I am a little late, but

Yeah!! TexasAnnie will not be posting her boorish posts today. It gets tiring trying to follow her populist, liberal, libertarian yet never conservative posts.

I can see that the discussions amongst us Nebraskans is honest today.

59 Texas Danny May 22, 2013 at 12:24 PM

A winning GOP-I take exception to your comments about my sister. She is a staunch Sen. Krist supporter. Nothing screams conservative more than that.

60 Anonymous May 22, 2013 at 12:28 PM

I had a good post prepared which I just lost. Oops. Maybe brevity is better. The EPA (on its AG 101 web site) quotes the USDA as saying:

“According to the National Corn Growers Association, about eighty percent of all corn grown in the U.S. is consumed by domestic and overseas livestock, poultry, and fish production. The National Corn Growers Association also reports that each American consumes 25 pounds of corn annually. The crop is fed as ground grain, silage, high-moisture, and high-oil corn. About 12% of the U.S. corn crop ends up in foods that are either consumed directly (e.g. corn chips) or indirectly (e.g. high fructose corn syrup). Corn has a wide array of industrial uses including ethanol, a popular oxygenate in cleaner burning auto fuels. In addition many household products contain corn, including paints, candles, fireworks, drywall, sandpaper, dyes, crayons, shoe polish, antibiotics, and adhesives.”

I stand corrected in the sense that corn itself is the industrial feedstock; paraphrasing the above, 12% of the U.S corn crop ends up in foods that are consumed either directly or indirectly. “Indirect” here refers to HFCS, which can be viewed as an industrial feedstock for some processed foods.

HFCS is a parallel product to ethanol and biodiesel.

FYI, you can learn more than you want to about one industrial use of HFCS – creating fructose, not the same thing as HFCS – in U.S. Patent #7150794, “Process for the production of crystalline fructose of high purity utilizing fructose syrup having a low content of fructose made from sucrose and product obtained.”

There is also a section about HFCS in Waites’ “Industrial microbiology: an introduction.” Glucose isomerase is an industrial, microbial enzyme used to manufacture HFSC. ” Fructose concentration can be increased to 55% by chromatographic enrichment. Alternatively, the fructose can now be separated from the glucose–fructose mixture and the remaining glucose fraction is isomerized to pro- duce a final combined product containing up to 80% fructose. These syrups, derived from starch, are somewhat cheaper than sucrose from cane or beet sources, but have the same sweetening power. Consequently, they have become major food ingredients, particularly in North America, and annual production of HFCSs is now in excess of 8×10^9 kg/[annually] (p. 140, bottom of the 2nd column).

61 RWP May 22, 2013 at 12:40 PM

“Indirect” here refers to HFCS, which can be viewed as an industrial feedstock for some processed foods.

In the same sense as cheese or meat or potatoes, yes.

I don’t consume HFCS, because I avoid carbs in general, if I can. But HFCS is little more than what happens to ordinary cane or beet sugar after the first stage of digestion.

62 Anonymous May 22, 2013 at 1:00 PM

My doc and I have experimented with lowering non-HFCS-derived sugars as much as possible in my diet and selectively increasing HFCS-derived. I experience HFCS-derived as a gout trigger, but once does not a pattern make.

63 @Friendly Fire May 22, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Krist and Al Davis are trying to outdo each other for Liberal of the Year.

And Krist has his sights set on Governor? Good luck with that one. Thought we defeated a “Liberal Bob” last November.

64 Anonymous May 22, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Why did the OCC delay a decision on the Civic? Again? That things been a concrete boil forever. Blow it up, knock it down, plant a tree, build a building. Somebody just make a decision – immediately – to keep it (wrong decision, but it is a choice) or remove it (the correct decision).

65 Interested Observer May 22, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Anonymous at 12:28 PM, from my perspective as a Conservative, Republican Rancher from the Valentine area, I would contend that (using your number) the 80% of the corn being fed to animals, which are largely then consumed by humans, would also be considered to be “indirectly” consumed corn.

66 Anonymous May 22, 2013 at 5:06 PM

CRRV at 3:28, thanks to you and all ranchers! I understand the wide variety of things people eat or not, and the wide variety of reasons for those choices. That said, take a bite of rare steak, preferably with a salad and a fat glass of Merlot, and tell me there’s no God. Can’t be done! That’s a foretaste of Heaven, right there.

67 Lil Mac May 22, 2013 at 9:00 PM

9:12. Anon. I was referring to some earlier conversation about polling. So we are clear, I didn’t say not to question those in office. Everyone who runs for office does so because they want to tell their neighbors what to do. To want to be obeyed and pass laws ordering others how to behave isn’t entirely normal or nice. It is at least egotistical and often tyrannical. All incumbents are held to account by voters but only on Election Day. If voters can push other elected officials to impeach, then that too can happen. But it is difficult and rare. The point is, polls contribute but they don’t force politicians to do anything. Elected officials pay attention to constituent polls when such is in their best interest and don’t when they don’t.

A good rule of thumb that I go by is, when I feel the urge to trust a politician, I am usually wrong.

You might wish to consider using a pseudonym when blogging, or an alter ego if you lean toward the dramatic. It makes it easier to converse. Thanks. — Other than that, all this talk about beef is getting me hungry. But I’ll take mine with a pint of ale.

68 Gaius Gracchus May 23, 2013 at 7:45 AM

I guess I lean towards the dramatic. In recent reading about the Gracchus brothers I realized another check & balance: intended vs. unintended consequences of politicians’ decisions.

69 Interested Observer May 23, 2013 at 10:11 AM

I actually quite like that conclusion.

70 Lil Mac May 23, 2013 at 10:44 AM

We can wait for unintended consequences to produce justice but as you, Gaius, discovered the hard way, no amount of indignant reformer attitude and effort on our part can keep some other politician from slicing off our noggin and filling it with lead, not because they dislike us but because there is profit to be had. Money is power is politics is money. That never changes. And the consequences of good intentions are often as bad or worse than those of the ill intended. It pays to approach all politics eyes wide open. Good pseudonym.

71 Interested Observer May 23, 2013 at 11:35 AM

So, what’s the deal with these high profile Republicans and their DUI’s? Now our attention turns to Norfolk this time.

72 Gaius Gracchus May 23, 2013 at 11:36 AM

IO and LM, thank you for your welcome. I retire now to enjoy a tubular meat product and, in anticipation of more this weekend, I wish all a Happy Memorial Day.

Let’s be conscious of the many, many sacrificial acts that give us this and every day. My late Dad fought Communism in Korea as a dental assistant, pulling teeth. He did his part.

73 Interested Observer May 23, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Of course, I’m reminded of the World Herald real time coverage of last summer’s Nebraska Republican Convention in Grand Island where they posted the tweets from everybody including this one:

jnmoenning Where’s the booze?

74 Tonic & Tonic May 23, 2013 at 11:17 PM

Look here, IO:

I DETEST JESSICA MOENNING AND, BY EXTENSION, Her HUSBAND.
YOU have no room to talk, though about someone’s DUI. If anyone that posts on this blog can say they’ve never driven over .08 BAC, I’ll introduce you to the queen of Xanthia. I gave this same argument when lotsashots had his incident. We’ve all made mistakes, some of us didn’t get caught. Now pipe down! And for the record: JM can go to hell.

75 I hired a TAXI May 24, 2013 at 1:37 AM

Josh Moenning is an idiot. I mean, really. And the OWH doesn’t report it because Jessica is their source for political information. No wonder the paper is dying. At least I got a taxi. ‘Cmon, I mean really…

76 Interested Observer May 24, 2013 at 6:52 AM

OF COURSE I HAVE ROOM TO TALK! Sorry T&T, but I couldn’t possibly disagree more with your opinion on this matter. Jessica tweeted her comment at the State Convention just as soon as they recessed for lunch, about 1:00 or so that afternoon. Her comment indicates a far more casual, comfortable and relaxed attitude about alcohol than mine.

First of all, I am NOT an elected official. I have NOT put myself out there in the public arena in the manner of an elected official.

Secondly, I am NOT a governmental employee, either! Clearly, we citizens DO expect our high ranking officials to set a positive example of behavior.

Thirdly, I do NOT present myself as the world’s bestest, greatest and most all knowing political insider/consultant.

Your embarrassingly, overly simplistic excuse that everybody does it, doesn’t pass the “smell” test for me. As far as your order for me to “pipe down!”, are you also ordering the Norfolk Daily News and KVSH in Valentine and the Lincoln Journal Star to ALSO “pipe down!”? Cause that’s where I first became aware of all this. OR are you singling me out, exclusively, to “pipe down!”? That just seems to be a little toooo precious, on your part.

77 Queen of Xanthia May 24, 2013 at 7:05 AM

Tonic and Tonic I am here so let the introductions begin

78 RWP May 24, 2013 at 9:16 AM

Her comment indicates a far more casual, comfortable and relaxed attitude about alcohol than mine.

Another of the many reasons I prefer her to you.

79 Interested Observer May 24, 2013 at 9:20 AM

Thanks for reading

80 Tonic & Tonic May 24, 2013 at 9:55 AM

To IO:

This is one of those situations where only those without sin should cast the first stone. If you have a perfect driving record and have never done anything that you regret while under the influence of alcohol then by all means make all the fun in the world.

An incident like this could be indicative of a larger problem for Mr.M. and if in fact he does have such a problem, it’s a serious demon that I wish him rid of.

81 Interested Observer May 24, 2013 at 10:33 AM

So, T&T, your “logic” falls apart on several levels here. The Norfolk Daily News said that the police were dispatched to the report of a vehicle parked in the middle of the road for an extended period of time. According to your “logic”, should the citizen have never reported the vehicle in the first place, because maybe the citizen is not “without sin”? Should the responding police not have investigated, because maybe the police are not “without sin”? Should the police have ignored the smell of alcohol coming from the vehicle? Should the police not have performed field sobriety and a preliminary breath test? Should the man not have been arrested?

At what point does your blanket, holier-than-thou, “only those without sin” attitude submit to the actual rule of law? You seem to have completely turned around the entire incident and now you are making the citizen and the police pass some sort of “purity” test before anything else can happen.

How about if we just keep the focus where it rightfully belongs, on the alleged drunk driver and the inexcusable decision to drive drunk in the first place? Especially since this particular drunk driver has already said publicly, “I take full responsibility for the incident.” Since this decision to drive drunk is such a bad decision, just what exactly is the quality of any other decision made by this elected official in his official capacity? How does this type of action instill increased confidence in the voters?

Again, I’ll restate my original question, “So, what’s the deal with these high profile Republicans and their DUI’s?”

82 Spike May 24, 2013 at 10:46 AM

World Wide March Against MONSterANTO 5/25/13. Omaha event, 1pm in front of ConAgra on Farnam in the Old Market area! Are YOU Round-Up ready???

83 Gaius Gracchus May 24, 2013 at 11:35 AM

“Senator Gracchus, why were behaving like such a jerk?” the reporter asked.

“Because I wasn’t drinking,” said Gracchus.

– said no one ever. Human nature is what it is, but alcohol (and other drugs) and politics don’t mix.

I would not wish gout on anyone, but it has been a blessing. Alcohol is a gout trigger for me, so I can’t drink beyond taking a sip of Communion wine. Abstaining prevents problems.

84 Tonic & Tonic May 24, 2013 at 11:59 AM

IO, you’re a tad confused about my message here, and it’s my fault for not being clearer. It is up to the police to make the arrest, and it is up to the courts to judge. It was up to the resident of the home to report a vehicle parked in the middle of the road for an extended period of time. It is up to voters to decide whether or not a man is fit to represent them.
If he were involved in a government scandal it would be different, instead this is a personal scandal. Just don’t kick a man while he’s down. I suspect you’re better than that.

85 RWP May 24, 2013 at 12:39 PM

I love Roundup. It’s the number one reason atrazine levels in my well have dropped.
Only complete nut cases are against GMOs. Oh, I forgot, it’s Spike.

86 RWP May 24, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Hang on, he says he blew .087. That’s not even illegal (though refusing a chemical test is).

87 RWP May 24, 2013 at 1:06 PM

After looking it up, I realize it’s barely illegal. A decent lawyer could get a .087 BAC based on a breath test thrown out. Breath tests aren’t that accurate. If he gets decent representation, I bet he can plead to refusing to take the blood test, in return for dropping the DWI, which would be 90 day suspension.

88 Drinkard May 24, 2013 at 1:09 PM

Your telling me he blew a .08 but yet was so hammered his car was ‘parked’ in the middle of the street? Why didn’t the paper print the BAC level. How long after he was found parked in the middle of the road was that sample taken?

Something doesn’t smell right? The papers and JM go after anyone else with this issue. Why is it now different when its them?

89 Nebraska Voters May 24, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Who is Josh Moenning? Why should we care?

90 RWP May 24, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Drinkard:

Possibly they got him while he was sobering up? In that case, he should have taken the test. Give him another 1/2 hour, and he’d have below the legal limit.

91 Omaha Politico May 24, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Great pick of Mary Bilek by Jean Stothert for Chief of Staff

92 In the know May 24, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Marty Bilek is an excellent choice. He will be an effective chief of staff.

93 Interested Observer May 24, 2013 at 4:25 PM

T&T said “If he were involved in a government scandal it would be different, instead this is a personal scandal.”

This is a very clear example of his poor decision making ability, whether personal, political or governmental. Same with Lautenbaugh, Sheehy, Sanford, etc.

94 RWP May 24, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Interesting our ‘Republican rancher’ only cites instances of Republican wrongdoers.

Conrad/Avery/Weiner/Blago/Jesse Jackson Sr. and Jr./…?

95 Anonymous May 24, 2013 at 5:06 PM

They take a blood sample, mix it with gun powder and if it ignites, you are arrested for drunkenness. If it explodes they escort you back to the unicameral.

96 Interested Observer May 24, 2013 at 5:19 PM

WKRP, I couldn’t care less about the Democrats. They’ll mess things up for their side just fine all by themselves. That’s one thing we don’t need to worry about at all! That’s an absolute given.

What I am trying to do is to get our high ranking Republicans to actually THINK before they make bad decisions and mess up! Especially after we’ve had a handful of embarrassing bad decisions already this year and it’s only May. Mistakes cost more games than anything else.

Maybe we need a new plank in our Party Platform, DON’T MESS UP!

97 Interested Observer May 24, 2013 at 5:20 PM

Oh, and thanks for reading . . . again.

98 Anonymous May 24, 2013 at 7:28 PM

Thanks for clearing that up. I thought it was just a cheap shot comment at someone’s recent mistake. You are trying to help us. Thanks.

99 Street Sweeper May 24, 2013 at 7:32 PM

IO,
A couple of things:

1) We all know you hate Republicans. Er…CERTAIN Republicans, of your choosing.
You like to ride in on your elevated steed and look down your wide nostrils at all those BENEATH you, and give them a stern lecture.
Ooooh! You’re lecturing (allegedly) drunk drivers now! Wow! Bold move! Way to step out on that branch.

Well, here’s the thing. You named, what?, 3 Republicans? Awesome. Out of how many? A thousand? A million?
Here’s some news for you. Take a sample of ANY group or profession or religion or ethnic background. Take a gander at any sports professionals, ranchers, bankers, queen bees, worker bees. directors, VPs, delivery guys, lawn guys, doctors, lawyers or Indian chefs (not chiefs, mind you, but chefs). You will generally find that from the cross-section you choose, you will get good and bad and hustlers and layabouts and smart and dumb and teetotalers and drinkers. And some of those will end up getting busted for a DUI. That’s life on the big blue dodge ball.

Point being, enough of your idiotic, moronic, simpleton aspersions on “those drunkard Republicans!” when it suits whatever bizarro needs you seem to have.

Not to generalize though. Not ALL of your points are the equivalent of a Area 51 conspiracy. Just more than most of us care to to peruse (if forced to).

and…

B) Come up with your own sign off catch phrase.
“And thanks for reading…” is mine.

And thanks for reading..

100 Drone Bees May 24, 2013 at 8:03 PM

Really not even a little shout out?

101 Street Sweeper May 24, 2013 at 8:09 PM

I mean if you were a KILLER bee, maybe…

102 RWP May 24, 2013 at 10:22 PM

Sorry, I don’t think slightly over the legal limit is a disqualifying event, particularly compared with (say) tapping the phone of a Washington reporter for two years, and those of his parents, all the while trying to suppress any evidence of the warrant. We’re in a week where it’s been proven various federal agencies, including the IRS and DoJ, were set as attack dogs against conservatives and non state controlled media, and IO wants to talk about a Norfolk City Councilman slightly over 0.08?

I know they don’t have many trees up there in Cherry County, but surely IO knows what a squirrel is? If only as a culinary item?

Yeah, you just care about Republicans in high office. Google ‘concern troll’.

IO and TA. Put ‘em together and you get IOTA, which is more than the two combined are worth.

103 Interested Observer May 25, 2013 at 7:34 AM

OK, here is my new official sign off catch phrase

MORNING GREETINGS IN DEADWOOD

104 Lil Mac May 25, 2013 at 9:02 AM

It is always less harmful to drink and drive than it is to drink and lead or legislate. But even that is a limited conclusion. For a sober policy that leads to tyranny is worse than a drunken decision. You can’t sober up from sobriety.

Obama had his Attorney General keep the spying going on reporters, including reporters Obama had in his pocket. It shouldn’t take a slap that obvious to get our Fourth Estate to see these power abusers for the crooks they are. Yet the Press is still bending over for Barry. This Administration and the mainstream Press could hardly behave more ineptly if they were drunk. I’d like to see the GOP pull in its tiny fangs and let the Media develop its own indignation. But Obama’s spying broke it off deep in the Media’s own arse and the Media barely flinched.

105 Gaius Gracchus May 25, 2013 at 9:33 AM

LM, to restate one of your points, we don’t want a designated at the beer hall putsch, correct?

106 Anonymous May 25, 2013 at 9:42 AM

Rainy days always get me …..

107 Gaius Gracchus May 25, 2013 at 9:46 AM

“designated dictator.” Missed the punch line.

108 RWP May 25, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Heineman not running for Senate. First!

109 Anonymous May 25, 2013 at 11:53 AM

The Norfolk DUI? I think it has something to do with the fact his wife is so toxic in her remarks though clever in how she doesn’t get candidates elected to office with her fingers in the pie. Poor man probably just needs his next feathered a bit.

110 Anonymous May 25, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Correction to the above: That would be his “nest” that needs feathering.

111 Tonic & Tonic May 25, 2013 at 10:27 PM

His wife sure does have a knack for getting more than her share of the pie… literally and figuratively

112 Some Thoughts May 25, 2013 at 11:07 PM

You don’t have to have a very long memory to recall instances of both Democratic and Republican politicians in this state getting a DUI. No, I have never driven while drunk and I can’t understand why anyone would. Some of us managed to absorb the “designated driver” concept around age fifteen and never lost it. Have some respect for your neighbors. Just because you never got caught doesn’t mean you couldn’t have killed somebody.

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