Bernie for Bernie

Don’t let Heath get too close to Bernie!

The Democrats had a nice turnout at their Bernie Sanders socialism rally yesterday!

And along the way, they even took 5 minutes out of their three-and-half-loooong-hours event to allow Heath Mello to speak.

Wait a minute (you yelp) that was a Heath Mello rally they invited Bernie to!

Noooo.
Didja WATCH it?

The majority of the day went by where Heath Mello was first un-endorsed by the Dem’s favorite blog, The Daily Kos. Then he was in the middle of the fray between Bernie and the National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL) President about how anti-choice Mello is.

THEN Mello decided to turn his back on his Pro-Life backers and exclaim to the Huffington Post that he wasn’t THAT Pro-Life, and wouldn’t do anything to stop abortions if elected mayor.

After ALL that, here’s what Nebraska Democrat Chair Jane Kleeb allowed Mello to do:
Introduce an anti-Semite Congressman from Minnesota.

(Hey, don’t look to me for definitions. The Anti-Defamation League said that Congressman Keith Ellison’s anti-Jewish and anti-Israel statements disqualified him from leading the National Democrat party. And uber-liberal law Prof. Alan Dershowitz threatened to leave the Democrat party if Ellison were it’s leader.)

So Mello got up, and on the biggest (literally) stage, in front of the biggest crowd of his political life…and he dumped out a dozen banalities from his closing debate statements.

“Truly!”
“Vision!”
“My children!”

Uh huh. Yeah.

Clap-clap-clap-clap. Now move it so we can hear Bernie promise us free stuff!!!

And after the indie-cover bands were done, Bernie got up and proclaimed about how horrible rich people are. (You know, like Warren Buffett, Walter Scott & Mike Yanney.)

Then he said how awful ObamaCare is.
(Well, he railed against the health care system, so I just assume he meant ObamaCare.)

And he went on and on for half an hour and laid it on thick about all the awesome ideas he has that America should do right now. (Hmm. How’s that Senate record of his on getting legislation passed?)

Of course no one ever follows up on Bernie’s socialist (his word) ideas. You know, about how he said that the American dream can now be found in places like Venezuela. (Just avoid the government takeovers and the flying Molotov cocktails.)

Because this was just another revival meeting going town to town under a big tent (or the, shudder, latest corporate sponsored arena). Sanders has been going across the country over the past few weeks doing these. This wasn’t some special trip for Heath Mello that he made from his bunker in Vermont.

Which is why, when called, his Washington Senate office told me that Sanders WASN’T campaigning for Heath Mello and WASN’T endorsing Heath Mello. I’m sure if someone splits hairs, they could freely argue either way.

But what WAS clear was that Bernie wasn’t there for Heath.
Bernie was there for Bernie.
And if the local Democrats insisted that Mello introduce the guy who was actually introducing Bernie, well fine then. And Bernie could even mention his name 2 or 3 times in his 35 minute speech. Huzzah, and all that.

But don’t let Mello in center-stage with Bernie during the final kumbaya moment with the acoustic guitar!

There is no public version of this in real life from last night

Or was that Heath trying to avoid Bernie?

Seeing as Heath doesn’t know whether he’s Pro-Life or Pro-Choice, Pro-Streetcar or Anti-Streetcar, Pro-Voting or Anti-Voting, Pro-Restaurant Tax or Anti-Restaurant Tax, it’s probably too much for him to actually, you know, take a photo with the guy.

Quick, search the newspaper, TV or radio and find a photo of Mello and Sanders standing next to each other.

Like the Daily Kos, local Democrats can decide if EITHER version of Heath Mello is actually worth their time.

*****

Picture this wacky scene on the new MSNBC sitcom, “The Ashfords!“:

Brad and Ann Ashford are sitting in their living room each reading the paper. (A close-up reveal shows that they’re BOTH reading their own copy of the editorial page! Cue laugh-track!)

Then the phone rings.
A close-up on the caller ID shows that its the Democrat National Committee.
They both shoot each other a furtive glance. Pause. Then each goes diving for the phone, yelling, “It’s for me!”

(Cue uproarious laugh-track!)

That is what The Hill is reporting, Nebraska Second Districters.
Brad told the news site:

“One of us is running. And that you can take to the bank.”

So WHY do the Ashfords think new Congressman, Retired Air Force General Don Bacon should be replaced? Well they don’t get into that, but don’t you nevermind. They WANT to win.

What do others think?

Heck, even Paul Landow, Democrat Mayor Mike Fahey’s Chief of Staff, doesn’t think the Ashfords have much of a chance of beating Bacon. He notes that “on a good day, it’s going to be really hard for a Democrat to win the seat.”

And that’s assuming that an Ashford even gets the nomination.

One would think with all the Democratness from last night (hmm, Brad wasn’t on that stage, was he) Jane Kleeb would like a True Believer to be the nominee. (A few more names are still tossed about.)

Well, all that being said, Which Ashford will run?

Find out  NEXT week on another episode of, “The Ashfords!

*****

As long as we’re still local let’s look at just a few more topics that people are actually concerned about in the Omaha Mayor’s race.

For instance, ever since the MECA board was forced to open up their meetings, transparency in government has become a more important issue to voters.

Heath Mello claimed he was the guy to get an online checkbook for the city of Omaha!

Then Mayor Jean Stothert noted that this was a city project since 2015, and it’s online now.

Well…

Heath Mello yelped, Hey how about that project at the old Civic Auditorium site? Where’s the vision on THAT? Huh! Huh!

And Mayor Stothert unveiled the new project for the Civic that, again, was in the works for quite some time (architects don’t tend to rush that stuff).

Hmm.

Well, how about them roads! Where’s the construction! Heh? Here, I am standing next to a pothole! What about this here pothole!

And today, Mayor Stothert showed the plan for the $10 million budgeted last year for road repair. (As it turns out, you can’t do major road repair in the middle of winter.)

And that’s where we are folks.

(And if being pro or anti-streetcar is your thing, Mello still won’t commit to a public vote on the issue. Apparently he thinks you don’t know about the “Play” button next to the “Pause” one he claimed to push.)

*****

Yeah, yeah, too much Omaha politics stuff for you.
Comment on what you want to comment on, as always…

127 comments

    • The Grundle King says:

      Please, show ’em how it’s done and start your own blog with up-to-date political stories of a general interest to Nebraskans. Let us all know how it goes.

      • Milo Minderbinder says:

        It appears this blog is more about insulting one another than it is with “up-to-date political stories of a general interest to Nebraskans.” I’m just here to sell you all some chocolate covered cotton and shares of M&M stock.

  1. The Grundle King says:

    I thought this was an interesting quote from the Kos:

    “However, as soon as we learned this information, we withdrew our endorsement, because this legislation clearly runs contrary to Daily Kos’ deepest values, including our support for women’s reproductive rights and our staunch opposition to laws that in any way impede women’s access to reproductive health care.”

    Weird…I’m pretty sure that most doctors would agree that ultrasounds are an important part of reproductive health care. It seems that mandating them…or at least mandating that they be offered, significantly enhances women’s reproductive health care.

    • Quentin T. says:

      Ernest T.,

      I clicked on your link to your blog but nothing came up. Please post it again, I need an idea for a tragic comedy.

  2. Mello is yellow says:

    Abortion is one of those issues that should never have become a “federal case”. After all, one state’s Murder is the next state’s Justifiable Homicide. Murder isn’t equally defined. Neither is your right to protect yourself. We cannot expect an entire national people to all agree on what is a woman’s right to protect herself from her own pregnancy, or that they all agree that the same is baby-murder. There is a sliding scale that spans from wearing a condom being an illegal affront to human propagation, to snipping off a full-term person’s head as it exits the birth canal. Opinions vary; thus making Freedom important. Therefore, STATES should determine abortion laws as they determine murder laws. That creates freedom, by letting baby killing moms choose to live in a state where killing babies safeguards them from baby pollution, and allows birth-forcers to live where abortionists are executed for murder. If you cannot move from your state, your legal complaint against enslavement beats this issue by a mile.

    Freedom is being able to get away from your own Federal laws you find tyrannical. But, that said…

    Heath Mello’s problem isn’t that he needs an abortion. Mello is running for executive office. It is not his previous show-up-and-vote legislative gig. Executives, mayors, deal with real problems, life and death, in real time. Mello gets a bit of pressure from a blog and he immediately switches from Pro Life to Pro Choice. The jerk is kneejerk. And that makes the issue one of Mello’s lack as a leader.

    Mello lacks executive courage, he is too quick to escape a bit of pressure, and that shows he cannot be trusted in anything he says, by anyone, even his own people. For Abortion isn’t some vague rarely mentioned issue. It is a damn sticky wicket for any politician. Yet it is every executive politician’s job, under great pressure, to navigate the stickiest wickets.

    Heath Mello, like all lawmakers, shows up and votes and then pompously calls that “leadership”. Not hardly. But even then, some lawmakers may also have the executive chops to be executives. Mello obviously doesn’t. Mello folded like a tissue paper deck of cards.

    • Anonymous says:

      Yadda, yadda, yadda. I still don’t get what one’s personal or public position on abortion has to do with bing mayor. Mayors deal with law enforcement and public safety, drivable streets and making a city an attractive place to start and grow a business. Show me where the City of Omaha makes and enforces laws about reproductive choice and I’ll listen. Till then….

      • The Grundle King says:

        On this point, I would agree. Any mayor’s authority over regulation of abortion is basically nil, so why it comes up in any mayoral discussion is beyond me.

  3. Bluejay says:

    From the NYT:

    “Jane Kleeb, the Nebraska Democratic Party chairwoman, helped organize the event for Mr. Mello and has since come under attack for saying that Democrats were “pro-life” and “pro-choice.” She offered no apology.

    “If the abortion rights groups are truly serious about cross-issue organizing,” she said, “they should know the foundation of that has to be economic issues.”

    So does that mean the Dems will drop all of the cultural stuff? KXL, LGBTQIA, global warming, etc?

    As usual, Jane Kleeb is incoherent. Pro-life? Pro-choice? She just wants your vote. Kleeb stands for nothing; just herself. Kleeb is the next Hillary.

    I still want to know if Kleeb is a PAID foreign agent of OPEC or Russia. They are the two biggest beneficiaries of her jihad against North American energy independence. Does she get paid in gold coin or bitcoin?

    • Clark says:

      “saying that Democrats were “pro-life” and “pro-choice.” She offered no apology.”

      Well f…ing HOORAY!!
      She shouldn’t offer an apology!

      Abortion has not a gdamn thing to do with the effective governance of our cities, counties, states or the union thereof.
      Just as your church has no say in the governance of our nation.

      There are three things the law demands the church stay out of: 1) the affairs of the state; 2) a woman’s womb, 3) a young boys pants.

      One wouldn’t imagine the church would struggle so mightily with such a seemingly simple task.

  4. T & G inc says:

    The Johnson amendment is toast.
    The Establishment Clause and Free Exercise Clause will soon be brought back into the parameters of the Constitution. It is not about the womb, but who is inside it.
    NAMBLA is a progressive group. It is they who have their finger prints all over this issue.

    • Anonymous says:

      NAMBLA is long gone. You resurrect it by bringing it up. Please don’t tell me where your fingerprints are, I don’t want to know.

      • T & G inc says:

        Anonymous,

        You’re wrong again. Curious how you deny it when it is so easy to Google and get a truthful answer not to mention the web page.
        Looks like the actions of one who doesn’t want their finger prints found on the group.

      • Breitbart Verified says:

        Donald Trump personally funds all of NAMBLA’s expenses.
        Trump’s sons, Uday and Qusay, have handled of all NAMBLA’s marketing for years (that ‘Trump Touch’ is likely why people mistakenly believe the organization no longer exists)

        Not only does Donald Trump personally fund NAMBLA, each NAMBLA member gets a voucher for up to 1 month of free lodging at any Trump property and 10 rounds free at any Trump golf course.
        They even get free use of Trump’s plane, once a year, for their annual gathering at Mar-a-Lago.

        MAGA
        Men Addicted to Groping Adolescents

      • InfoWarped says:

        I hear Donald Trump has a government plan to turn all the newly abandoned Sears and K-Mart Stores in full blown NAMBLA ‘Playlands’.

        Me-ee an-an-d Alex, Alex Jones
        We got a thing goin’on
        We both know that it’s wrong
        But it’s much too strong
        To let it go now

      • T & G inc says:

        POT, progressive men for Trump,

        Not only does Donald Trump personally fund NAMBLA, each NAMBLA member gets a voucher for up to 1 month of free lodging at any Trump property and 10 rounds free at any Trump golf course.
        They even get free use of Trump’s plane, once a year, for their annual gathering at Mar-a-Lago.

        I hear Donald Trump has a government plan to turn all the newly abandoned Sears and K-Mart Stores in full blown NAMBLA ‘Playlands’.

        Some people will do anything to get the progressives to vote for them. You have laid out, no pun intended, an excellent plan for Trump. Only from the mind of snowflake NAMBLA charter member. Nice wish list.

      • Breitbart Verified says:

        That’s rich, coming from a Trumper.

        How about a quick peek, just a sampling of the ignorance we’ve been forced to endure for 9 years –
        Obama was born in Kenya
        He’s a member of the muslim brotherhood
        He was sworn in on the Koran
        He frequented gay bathhouse in Chicago
        He won’t say the pledge of allegiance
        Killed his Grandma to cover up his birth
        Faked job numbers
        Faked Bin Laden’s death
        He’s got a secret plot to take away all your guns then round you up and lock you in abandoned Walmart stores converted to FEMA camps in preparation for the invasion of 100 million muslims destined to take over America.

        I don’t recall a single cry of ‘libel’ throughout those 9 years.
        As the guns, ammo and survival seeds were amassed in quantities unprecedented in American history, not a peep about ‘libel’.

        The list of Obama slanders is endless. The watermelon patch at the White House, the Terrorist Fist Bump, Obama as Witch Doctor, it never ended. Every week it was a slanderous new nutball conspiracy theory cooked up solely to shake some coin out of Goober America’s pockets. Lies that would hold an audience long enough to sell a few more pillows, some fake gold ‘collector’ coins, an overpriced home security system. A rewarding new business model crafted by an ethics-free right wing entertainment complex. Each new line of nuttery tossed out, gobbled up like red meat by a rabid, ever more delusional base.

      • The Grundle King says:

        Ummm, I’m not a Trumper, so go straddle a cactus and squat.

        And your defense of, “they did it, too’ is something a child would do. I would advise you to grow up, but my guess is that you’re already an adult and that you’re stuck this way permanently.

  5. Anonymous says:

    Since the Berniecrats now run the Nebraska Democratic Party the Ashfords will have to hope that the Hillarybots in hiding will welcome them with open checkbooks.

    • Anonymous says:

      It is a ideal mix, Bernie an independent, or whatever the hell he is, like Chambers is a tool for a party led in hickland by Kleeb, Ashford is also a shiftless party member, surely his wife will be the same. Omaha dems, wanting to be “with it” will hop aboard. With Mello you get their hybrid candidate, looks good, but nothing is there. Midtown Omaha is ripe for the picking for democratic hacks

  6. All Seeing Eye says:

    Spartacus, do you think Progressives understand that Fascism is a form of Socialism? That Nazi’s were Socialists? And that “control” not “ownership” defines Socialism?

    Either we are Free Market Individuals free to own, free to invest, free from government control; or our government, regardless whether it owns anything or not, controls everything, which makes it Socialist. — All centralized government control is inherently Socialist. All freedom is individual.

    For example, the fascist-socialism of Obamacare forcing insurance companies and forcing individuals to pay, is about control not ownership. The US VA healthcare system is government owned, Obamacare forces/coopts business and forces citizens. Yet both are socialisms that force/control production, services and human beings. Forcing is tyranny. That is what government does. The USA has freedom only because checks and balances limit government and that is not because its sweet.

    Frankly, “ownership” was a Marx fetish concept to avoid the ugly “forced control” that matters to Socialists. – You can hold the pink slip to your car but if your govt says when or if and where you must drive it, your ownership is meaningless. Indeed, ownership means nothing to Socialists who distribute wealth and property. – Socialism, Nazi to Marxist to Bernie, is all about unescapable central government controls forcing production, services, and people. How can Progressives not see this?

    • Anonymous says:

      I get it. Control, not ownership. We’ve had socialist weapons production for 79 years. Our economy is based on the war footing we’ve maintained since 1938. If socialism is that bad we’d have stopped this years ago, but no, too much Federal gravy. Enjoy that new StratCom HQ in Bellevue!

  7. TexasAnnie says:

    Given your invitation, Spartacus, I want to comment on this:

    Mosaic of Grand Island will serve as the charter organization for a new boy scout troop to serve boys (age 12 and up) and men (no upper age limit) with developmental disabilities. This is the first such organization in Nebraska!

    [*** Just think of it, Nebraskans…First the Boy Scouts accepted gay and transgender youngsters. Now it’s the developmentally disabled! Just where will this Christian organization lead? ***]

    So now, at least in the Grand Island vicinity, boys and men will have a recreational venue just like non-disabled boys have enjoyed for, what, 100 years or more? It’s amazing that someone thought of including these boys and men, because INCLUSION has been so difficult for Nebraskans for so many, many years! (And I recall that Nebraskans cruelly turned a blind eye when such persons were not permitted to even enroll in public school there, the state and federal Constitutions be damned…)
    GOOD ON YOU NOW!

  8. Screw your like says:

    Wash Post wrote on Dec 9 2015, that while Trump’s campaign seems “lurching, chaotic” Trump is actually “a disciplined and methodical candidate, according to a review of the businessman’s speeches, interviews and thousands of tweets and retweets over the past six months.” – So, the press thought Trump was a kneejerk looney, discovered he is measurably “disciplined and methodical”, and then ignored its own measurements and went back to wanting to believe he is a kneejerk looney. Even now, political and press elites look to polls that say Americans “don’t like” Trump.

    Of course they don’t. Republicans don’t like Trump either. — In Feb 2015, polls showed Trump was viewed unfavorably by 68% of likely Iowa GOP caucus-goers, half of them “very unfavorably”. While in New Hampshire 69% of likely GOP primary voters had unfavorable opinions of Trump, with only 19% favorable. Those Republicans still dislike Trump. — But to paraphrase Tina’s song… “What’s ‘like’ got to do with it?”

    Obama was likable. You can enjoy a beer with Barry O, the idiot who played the race card while being the most powerful man on earth and who bent over like a fool for Putin, China, Iran, etc.. Obama is likable. Trump is unlikable. But which one do you respect and trust as President?

    Polls measure what you like, not what you respect or need. Yet US party elites and press still demand they have a President they “like”. What incredible shitheads!

    They mayt as well poll cancer patients to see how much they “like” chemotherapy. Patients hate chemo. But they respect its power and embrace it as a realistic chance of saving their life.

    Trump isn’t here to sell America more of the likable Political Correctness that has weakened America. He is here to get this country back into solvency, sovereignty and sanity. It isn’t pretty but it is necessary. And the political shitheads who didn’t grasp that before, still don’t. They have the same national cancer too but they crave yet another sweet sugar placebo.

    • You're deranged says:

      “Obama is likable. Trump is unlikable. But which one do you respect and trust as President?”

      Obama, hands down. And so does the rest of the world.

      “Polls measure what you like, not what you respect or need.”

      Gallup, Feb 10, 2017 –
      Americans See US World Standing as Worst in a Decade
      Satisfaction with U.S. on the world stage is near record low.
      Fewer than three in 10 Americans (29%) say leaders of other countries have respect for the new president, with 67% saying world leaders do not have much respect for him.
      When Barack Obama took office in 2009, the results were nearly opposite: 67% of Americans then believed global leaders respected the president, while 20% said leaders did not.

      “He is here to get this country back into solvency, sovereignty and sanity.”

      Feb 28, 2017, USA Today –
      Trump would explode the deficit

      Mar 17, 2017, Fortune –
      Donald Trump: President’s Budget Could Bury U.S. in Debt

      Mar 1, 2017, Economic Policy Journal –
      “Why the Budget Deficit Will Explode Under Trump”

      • Pew says, says:

        Why are you so bothered by how others view you?

        Obama had a good confidence rating from 10 European countries, (out of 51 independent European state); 4 major Asia Pacific countries, (out of 31), and Canada. Evidently even pandering to the illegals couldn’t get Mexico in his corner. So, who wants to be like them? You and the other masked antifa? By the voting since 2010, Americans certainly don’t want to be.

        Going trick or treating is always more fun than going to the dentist afterwards.
        Obama and his agenda have been rejected.

        We’ll see how Trump does in 4 years. By that time, you will probably be interred. High blood pressure tends to that to people.

      • Word says:

        Not a chance Trump lasts 4 years.

        The only question is whether it’s:
        1) voluntary, aka ‘You won’t have Trump to kick around anymore, because, gentlemen, this is my last press conference.’
        2) Impeachment
        3) Perp Walk

      • Pew says, says:

        Nostradamus wanna be;

        And HRC was going to be President by a landslide. Remember, it is about you!

  9. Anonymous says:

    Joanie Loves Chachi. Chachi loves Trump. Joanie found dead.

    Congressional Democrats demand investigation of President Trump.

  10. Ooh la la says:

    Let’s squeeze in a prediction. — Looking at French poll trends, out of a dozen candidates, only the top five pull credible numbers. Out of those, Macron and Le Pen go into a May 7th runoff election. But then the question is, who gets the left overs? The key issue is FREXIT vs stay EU. Macron, Hamon and Fillon are pro-EU. Le Pen and Melenchor are FREXIT.

    When progressive Bayrou, a leading stay-EU, quit and endorsed stay-EU Macron, Macron rose only 1 pt. When Green Jadot dropped and endorsed Socialist Hamon, Hamon dropped an amazing 10 pts. Fillion started out in 2nd, then flatlined at 3rd. All pro-EU candidates seem to struggle. — On the other hand, pro FREXIT Melenchor has risen 10 pts, taking votes from Le Pen. With Melenchor gone, unless Le Pen is personally unappealing, she gets Melenchor’s accelerating FREXIT support. Le Pen should win.

    There’s also a sex tabloid aspect to this race. For Macron is married to his High School teacher, 24 years his senior, who Macron “met” when he was a 15-year-old student. We don’t object to age differences. We object to a 39-year-old politician thinking its good judgement to have sex with a 64-year-old woman. Mon, Dieu!

    • Sam Cooke says:

      Bad news for you and yours, Paint Chip.
      Looks like the Great Wave of Stoopid that has deliberately impeded thoughtful governance, embraced xenophobia, stoked the flames of White Nationalism and imperiled our nation by putting a moron in the White House, may have finally crested –

      MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow was the most-watched cable news host in the key 25- to 54-year-old demographic for a third consecutive week.

      A change is gonna come.

      • bynd says:

        conspiracy are u:

        Rachel Maddow tonight reveals Amelia Earhart & Jimmy Hoffa are found; they married and had a child–Snoop Dog, who paid no taxes ever!
        Who would have thought that Rachel Maddow would be doing PR for President Trump! @POTUS God does have a sense of humor
        Now every time a lib tries to say “but #TrumpTaxReturns!” we now have the luxury of firing back with “38 million.”
        Thanks, Rachel @Maddow!
        Rachel Maddow is the personification of the entire democratic party today…
        They committed suicide live on national TV. #TrumpTaxReturn
        For her next trick, Rachel Maddow will reveal how Trump legally payed his mortgage, leased a car, maybe even purchased groceries!

        Everyone loves a conspiracy!
        ‘The X-Files’ Ratings Top 20 Million in 3-Day Viewing.

        I hear Rachel is hiring O’Reilly so she can be harassed and feel needed.

  11. Just a spectator says:

    Let me preface the following statement by saying that I would vote for Jean if I could.

    This matter of Heath Mello being pro life or pro-abortion doesn’t really matter for a few reasons:
    A) He’s a democrat and will continue to support the killing of the unborn as long as it gets him elected
    2) The Mayor of Omaha has nothing to do with abortion policy.
    III) I can’t believe that Jean’s campaign is throwing this garbage around, since they dismissed claims from the Nabity campaign in 2013 that she wasn’t pro-life.

    • Johnny Law says:

      He’s a democrat and will continue to support a woman’s fundamental right to choose, a right granted by the United States Constitution.

      • Just a spectator says:

        I’m not going to argue the merit of abortion with someone who is so clearly committed to the dismemberment of unborn humans. You are a monster.

      • Johnny Law says:

        The argument from which you refrain was settled, 44 years ago.
        The decision was 7-2.

        Your side lost.

      • Pete says:

        The argument is never settled. Your side thought they got their way when Plessy v. Ferguson settled racial segregation, but much the same way Brown v. Board restored rights to oppressed people, there will be a case to overturn Roe v. Wade and restore the God given right to life for the unborn.

      • Anonymous says:

        You know what’s monstrous? People who are so fired up about abortion but don’t give a damn about people that are without a doubt alive and human, but maybe look a bit different than yourself. The saddest thing I’ve seen in my life is the Catholic Church because of a single issue aligning with a political party whose platform and philosophy are the opposite of what is taught in the Bible (where abortion is NEVER mentioned, but hypocrisy and helping the poor are).

      • Pete says:

        This isn’t about the Catholic church, but if you want it to be, we can talk about the hundreds of billions of dollars that Christians, through the church and other charities, spend on helping the poor every year.
        Jesus told us to help the less fortunate. He didn’t say anything about electing a government to take our money from us by threat of imprisonment, and have them ineffectively spend a little bit of it on the poor on our behalf. You don’t get brownie points with the Lord for supporting a government that perpetuates its own existence by making people dependent. You get brownie points with the Lord for not murdering people.

      • @Anon 2:35pm says:

        “…don’t give a damn about people that are without a doubt alive and human, but maybe look a bit different than yourself.”

        A) Don’t assume race.
        B) So that time that I spent thousands of dollars of my own money, and missed out on a summer of earnings so I could go build houses in a couple of central american countries was me not giving a damn about people who look a bit different from me? I can remember the name of every single person on that trip and 9/10 were conservatives.

      • Johnny Law says:

        “restore the God given right to life for the unborn.”

        I’ll assume you’re referring to the Declaration of Independence.
        A document the Supreme Court has generally not considered to be part of the organic law of the country.

        A document, adopted on July 4, 1776, that also contained the assurance that
        “all men are created equal,”

        It would be 89 years and 620,000 dead American soldiers later that Abraham Lincoln would recall those those same words during an address in Gettysburg, as he rescinded ownership by white humans of their black brothers.
        Black brothers who would have to wait yet another 80 years and countless atrocities to secure the most basic of civil rights.
        An accommodation many in Trump’s America openly regret to this day.

        Yep, we are in fact exceptional.
        Just not in the way many of you would like to imagine.

      • repenting lawyer says:

        Pete, I agree issue is not Catholic Church, on the other hand your views of government are not in a very good fit with tradition of the Social teachings continuous from Leo XIII to Francis and built on the thought of Aquinas.. Given the stages of development at which abortions occur and the various causes individual choice seems a more reasonable solution for a morally and religiously divided society that a borrowed argument from an opinion of the German Constitutional Church. In any event I thought Kennedy had settled the issue of dismemberment in the way you wanted.

      • It's called Proselytism says:

        Of course when christians travel abroad to build houses, there’s in every case an ulterior motive.
        No?

        In addition to the good that has been done on behalf of the church, history documents quite well the oceans of blood have been spilled, courtesy of christian missionaries.
        And I’m not certain the scales of justice tip in your direction on this one.

      • Doc says:

        It’s called –
        Fetal viability:
        As used in United States constitutional law since Roe v. Wade, viability is the potential of the fetus to survive outside the uterus after birth, natural or induced, when supported by up-to-date medicine.

        When human evolution or currently unimaginable advances in science and technology change that window of viability, we’ll chat.

        Then again, that assumes you believe in evolution and science.

  12. bynd says:

    PC alive and well,

    Why the intelligent take the NY times with a grain of salt. Very small grain.

    A top New York Times editor decided the paper shouldn’t use the term “female genital mutilation” because the phrase is too “culturally loaded” and widens a divide between the Western world and “people who follow the rite.”
    Health and Science editor Celia Dugger said she came to the conclusion to refer to the act of removing the female genitalia of young girls as “genital cutting”

    however, groups as ideologically opposite as the United Nations Population Fund have also written about the potential danger in referring to genital mutilation as “cutting.”

    “UNFPA embraces a human rights perspective on the issue, and the term ‘female genital mutilation’ more accurately describes the practice from a human rights viewpoint,” a question-and-answer section of the UNFPA website says.

    Why can’t you just call spade, heart, diamond or club, a spade, heart, diamond or club? (Even that line is PC so as not to offend the delicates on here.

    • N. Lightenment says:

      Donald Trump has accomplished almost nothing in his first 100 days.
      But one thing he did accomplish was signing an executive order that eliminated 10’s of millions of dollars directed to family planning organizations and health efforts across the globe, including those saving girls from child marriage, female genital mutilation, and maternal death.

      • bynd says:

        Just another Trump puppet.

        So, who cut the funding that allowed you independent, logical and critical thought?

        The funding for the strings from Trump’s hands to your body are still there. Trumpet.

      • N. Lightenment says:

        You need to cut back on the Paint Chips, chuckles.

        The purpose of my post was to point out the heinous act of the Clown you people elected.
        Exactly as happened with the former cokehead and alcoholic you elected, G.W. Bush.
        Both born-again Bush and Birther King Donald signed Executive Orders drafted by a band of misguided religious zealots that were/will be responsible for unimagined horrors committed to little children.
        Both E.O.’s cutting funding to the United Nations Populations Fund (UNFPA).
        In Trump’s case, $32 million that was this year intended to have saved little girls in more than 150 countries from certain rape and mutilation.

        But, because of Jeebus and an incurious Donald Trump’s need to sign shite so it looks like he’s doing something, countless 10’s of thousands of innocent children are now destined for torture and death.

      • bynd says:

        Dark can not en lighten,

        The purpose of my post was to point out the heinous act of the Clown you people elected.
        Exactly as happened with the former cokehead and alcoholic you elected, G.W. Bush.
        Both born-again Bush and Birther King Donald signed Executive Orders drafted by a band of misguided religious zealots that were/will be responsible for unimagined horrors committed to little children.

        That’s your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it. But you missed the part, on purpose I assume since you are so enlightened, where the UN has allowed the sexplaotation of children and women by those sent to protect them. So don’t go all high horse on us. Your moral high road is a quagmire of broken women and children.

        You and your messiah have no moral high ground. So bristle all you want. Obama wasn’t any better than the rest. Had he been you wouldn’t have the lost the House, Senate, Presidency and most of the states on his watch. The ignorant here are the partisans, like you, who refuse to see the truth and think they are some how more enlightened than others. Tell that to the stacks of dead children in Syria killed by your leader’s malfeasance in office. And that’s just the current tip of the iceberg. By your definition of enlightenment, you and Rosespierre are two peas in a pod. Different times, same reprehensible actions.

      • N. Lightenment says:

        That wasn’t an opinion, Paint Chip.

        FACT –
        Bush the Lesser and Trump, both via Executive Order, defunded the UN Populations Fund.

        And regarding yet another of your clueless fallacies inspired by your bankrupt ideology –
        Obama wasn’t any better than the rest.

        On January 3, 2009, as one of his very first acts as President, Obama restored funding for the U.N. Population Fund. Hundreds of thousands if not millions of young girls around the globe were saved from serial rape, torture and mutilation throughout Obama’s eight years in office.

        Not taking into account the renewed toll in human life and suffering, it will cost the U.S. taxpayer more to fly Donald Trump back a forth to his golf resort in Florida this year than the money that will be saved by Trump defunding the U.N. Population Fund.

        Man, it must really suck to be wrong, ALL THE TIME.
        I gotta tell ya Paint Chip, I’ve honestly never come across anyone in my life who is as consistently wrong as you.

      • bynd says:

        Darkness are you,

        The 100 day is an arbitrary construct that doesn’t mean anything except to narrow minds like yours. And I didn’t say they didn’t fund any part of the UN. Indeed, only those like you who think having UN peace keepers raping those they are to protect is good thing. Or watch as a genocide goes on which has happened more than once. In fact, most of the UN is pretty worthless. But you keep lowering your standards to make your global socialists look better all you want. You know, Russia who protects Syrian and their chemical weapons that Obama said he got rid of. China who protects the wacko in North Korea. And I realize in your ignorance, you think that some how appeasement is the way to go with those two plus Iran. The world has never been a more dangerous place than when Obama was in office.

        As for being wrong, if you have to tell some you are smarter than them, you aren’t. Simple concept even for a sophists like you. You make arrogance a laughing at you sport. Bucko.

    • bynd says:

      The wall was built the day Trump took office. Crossings are way down. There are more border patrol.
      As two ranchers down there told Pelosi, during the last 8 years upwards of 500,000 crossed their land. Now it is down about 90 -95%. Trump’s “wall” is already more effective than Obama’s red line.

      Unlike when Obama was in, results matter. And people, all not just a few from identity politics, understand results.

      Your lips are flapping like Mick Jaggers on a motorcycle doing 100mph. And saying nothing.

      • Anonymous says:

        “As two ranchers down there told Pelosi,” (via Fox & Friends, of course)

        Damn, I was really hoping Fox & Friends would mosey into town and talk to the people over at Jim Bob Hubbard’s Transmissions and Tacos.
        Jim Bob says there’s more than a million illegals who crossed under Obama, every year!
        He said some days the dust was so thick from the shufflin’ of their illegal boots across the open desert (boots wrapped around calves the size of cantaloupes) that you couldn’t hardly see your beer on the bar right in front of your face!
        He said those same illegals are now so scared of Donald Trump that they just stand on the other side of the fence and throw money over, screaming WE PAY, WE PAY!!

      • bynd says:

        Darrell and his two brothers,

        Just another cracker barrel progressive trying to make themselves feel important in their land of irrelevance.

        Poor ignorant little snowflake. That’s all you have to say when proven wrong, again!

  13. Anonymous says:

    The Administration will sell Trump Brand (c)(tm)(sm) “Wall” sun glasses. A wall is optically imposed on whatever you look at. Problem solved.

    • Anon says:

      Manufactured in ‘Ghina’.

      A wall is optically imposed on whatever you look at.

      It’s my understanding they will also market a deluxe version, called Trump Bigly’s.
      The Bigly’s will impose the wall over everything except a woman’s vajayjay.
      Can’t have a wall impeding the grabbin’.

  14. bynd says:

    What will he say to them?

    Nothing like taking money from the devil. chuckle chuckle

    Former President Barack Obama, less than 100 days out of office, has agreed to speak at a Wall Street conference run by Cantor Fitzgerald LP, senior people at the firm confirm to FOX Business. His speaking fee will be $400,000, which is nearly twice as much as Hillary Clinton, his secretary of state, and the 2016 Democratic Party candidate, charged private businesses for such events.

    Is this an assault on Obama’s legacy by academia?

    Fracking has not contaminated groundwater in northwestern West Virginia, according to the peer-reviewed study published this month in a European journal.
    “Based on consistent evidence from comprehensive testing, we found no indication of groundwater contamination over the three-year course of our study,” explained Avner Vengosh, the professor of geochemistry and water quality at Duke’s Nicholas School of the Environment.

    The progressive’s world just keeps crumbling and crumbling. Maybe instead of criticizing others, they should get their own act together first. Like Perez said, if you don’t support abortion, you can not be included in the inclusive progressive party. No time to grab women when you are too busy grabbing everyone’s wealth.

    • Oracle says:

      Congratulations, ostrich! You have mastered the (mostly) right-wing skill of using the Google to find a source that appears to validate your viewpoint. Though it does require a selective cut and paste, omitting text that may prove the opposite.

      Excuse my cut and paste: “What we found in the new study in West Virginia is different from what we have found in previous studies in northeastern Pennsylvania and Texas but similar to what we found in Arkansas,” Vengosh said. “That’s because geology varies by region, as do the drilling operators and conditions. Time also plays a factor. What we found in the study area in West Virginia after three years may be different from what we see after 10 years, because the impact on groundwater isn’t necessarily immediate.”

      I don’t expect to even remotely impact your curdled mind with actual facts, but it’s a necessary public service to warn others who might consider taking your posts seriously.

      Again, YAI!

      • bynd says:

        or-ass-cle,
        so?

        Were we talking about those places? No!
        You can introduce what want but don’t be such an idiot to think others will fall for your apples and orange comparison.

        Why do snowflakes always think that they post whatever they want and everyone will believe it is relevant? Other than other snowflakes fighting desperately for relevance.

        If I’m an idiot but see through your scams and poor attempt at obscurifications, what does that make you? A totally irrelevant idiot!

        And you people wonder why you are no longer relevant in government. Proof enough you have no clue.

      • anonymous says:

        “obscurifications”

        I went there once for dinner. The pasta was overcooked and the wine smelled moldy.

        Ahh.. but what the heck, you make up your own ‘facts’, why not your own words.

      • Oracle says:

        2:54, that wasn’t me. “obscurifications” IS a valid word even though ostrich is screaming “projection” the way he is using it.

      • bynd says:

        Two blind mice,

        You folks are are truly a hoot. How entertaining. One thinks it isn’t a word, the other doesn’t know the definition.
        obscurification
        Definitions
        en.wiktionary.org
        (colloquial, slang) (used as a nonce only) The act of making something obscure. Usually used in computing to describe the act of hiding source code in plain sight. One might consider it a type of very ineffective encryption.

        You’re starving to death and are too wrapped up in your fantasy world to know it.
        DUH!
        RFLMBO

  15. Oracle says:

    ostrich, I don’t know why I’m wasting my time on you but 1) Most educated people would take your paragraph as a defense of fracking as harmless everywhere, not just in West Virginia, and 2) Even in the area sited the experts stated “What we found in the study area in West Virginia after three years may be different from what we see after 10 years, because the impact on groundwater isn’t necessarily immediate.”

    So what’s your point other than YAI?

    • bynd says:

      or-ass-cle

      No educated folks would understand the point that snowflakes like you, say all fracking and associated actions pollute the ground around the action. So, no, you are not educated. And educated people would also look at it from different view points and not the one that their party gives them the talking points on.

      I have no problem, and the time, to keep showing how out of touch and narrow minded you snowflakes are. But so are many conservatives. But no conservatives demonstrate on here as much bigotry and narrow mindedness as clearly as the resident snowflakes. Not to mention extremely misplaced arrogance. And no, you don’t have the logic or critical thinking skills to change my mind. And your partisanship will never allow to develop them.

      Just the fact you keep using the juvenile YAI proves what a juvenile and uneducated mind you have.

      • Oracle says:

        I use YAI because I hate to waste the time on you typing out “You’re an Idiot!”.

        Damn, you made me waste the time 🙁

        Besides, I was always taught to speak to the level of one’s audience.

      • bynd says:

        “Besides, I was always taught to speak to the level of one’s audience.”

        You need to learn to write to higher level then.

  16. Clown Show says:

    Breaking –
    “Judge Blocks Donald Trump’s Executive Order On Sanctuary Cities”

    Never before have we witnessed such abject incompetence from a presidential administration.

    • bynd says:

      Without even reading it, the only question is, was that from SCOTUS? If not, it means little. Especially for activists judges, on both sides, who rule not by law but by feeeeeeelings.

      • repenting lawyer says:

        Bynd, since you have not read NDC opinion, how can you say judicial activism was involved. A lot of quite conservative law profs have pointed out that executive cut off like this requires non existent Congressional authorization. Whatever Obama’s batting average in front of SCOTUS, it did not depend on the broad reading of executive power needed to support this executive order.
        Like some evidence, case citations with discussion on this issue of feelings in judicial opinions, had not noticed it myself.

  17. bynd says:

    One blind mice,

    “Never before have we witnessed such abject incompetence from a presidential administration.”

    It’s because you really never paid attention to Obama. If you had, and had any common sense, you would be so embarrassed.

    The academic study written by Washington University professor Lee Epstein and University of Chicago law professor Eric Posner found Obama had the “worst record of any President” since Franklin D. Roosevelt. In fact, his presidential performance before the Supreme Court “may be the worst since the Zachary Taylor administration” in the 19th century.

    Supreme Court Tie Blocks Obama Immigration Plan

    • Oracle says:

      Yeah, I’m sure historians will rank Obama’s presidency based on his Supreme Court successes. Especially when the Court has become so politicized. I’m betting the Affordable Health Care Act and keeping us from another Great Depression due to the mess Bush left us will weigh more heavily in grading his historical record.

      • bynd says:

        duh,

        “Never before have we witnessed such abject incompetence from a presidential administration.”

        You just can’t understand any simple concept can you. Or, maybe you do and just keep dodging because you have no defense for fearless leader.

        I see why they tell you to not argue with a two year old.

  18. relief says:

    Bynd, most presidents see their decrees as mattering. Trump pumps them out like smokescreens and dangles some as baubles to distract the idiots.

    Let the idiots keep swinging where he ain’t.

    What we see in the press today is pap pooped for public pandering. Don’t touch the stuff. It is shit mixed with sugar for diabetic dimwits who Trump knows will gobble themselves into an insulin coma.

    • Ben Dover says:

      What we see in the press today is troubling because we need bias-free reporting and there ain’t none to be found. At least with the ‘progressive’ reporting we get some positive action, whereas with Fox and Friends we get real fake news, for real! And the problem with bias laden reporting and fake news, is it’s affect on the bigoted.
      Take bynd up the line for example. He has argued literally for months that Trump will build his wall, rivers and mountains and deserts be damned. But now bynd credits Trump will already “building the wall” (9:49am), as he moves effortlessly into his lecture that “results matter,’ and “Obama did it too.” Bynd is a fake opinionator making fake statements about his fake judgments. He can’t help himself. But what affect is bynd having on Leavenworth St. readers? I do hope bynd’s detractors aren’t fake.

      • bynd says:

        bent in half,

        “But what affect is bynd having on Leavenworth St. readers?”
        Entertainment. And that is all there is. The rest is worthless blather. Like this post from bent over.

        And like a bunch of rabid dogs, you folks chase the bait and try to look so wise and intelligent.
        People who think they are wise when they are not are worse than fools.

        It is like living a life time having your life controlled by others. Obama, Trump or bynd.

  19. Bluejay says:

    I attended the candidate forum tonight. Mello has the perfect ability to talk without saying anything but he did make some news.

    1. He is a true believer of the global warming scam. Why Stothert didn’t hammer him on that is a mystery to me. Does the Police Department start buying Teslas? Expensive solar and wind electricity purchases? Germany has “green” power and it is three times more expensive than in the US.

    2. Mello committed to one or two new Cabinet positions (cronies) and he would fire both the Public Works and Planning Departments heads and put his pals in. Big mistake.

    With the payoff Mello will be making to the firefighters and this other foolishness, get ready for big tax increases if this guy wins.

    Mello defines smarminess and sleaze. I can’t hardly believe this character might win.

    Jean needs to hit him harder.

    • Anonymous says:

      Creighton produces some great scientists, just not you. Global warming a scam? You explain the data, please.

      “janekleebjanekeebjanekleeb’

      • Bluejay says:

        “Former Energy Department Undersecretary Steven Koonin told The Wall Street Journal Monday that bureaucrats within former President Barack Obama’s administration spun scientific data to manipulate public opinion.

        “What you saw coming out of the press releases about climate data, climate analysis, was, I’d say, misleading, sometimes just wrong,” Koonin said, referring to elements within the Obama administration he said were responsible for manipulating climate data.”

      • Oracle says:

        Not a Bluejay, typical lemming action by conservative sites. Googling your quote brings up page after page echoing Steve Konin’s statements. That’s how your side works. Pile up gobs of garbage so the truth can’t be found. But if one is persistent enough, a Slate article “the_wall_street_journal_and_steve_koonin_the_new_face_of_climate_change” sheds more truth on the subject. First, Konin had a very minor position in the Obama administration from which he eventually resigned. And Konin does admit that the human influence on climate is “no hoax,” and that “continually growing amounts of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, due largely to carbon-dioxide emissions from the conventional use of fossil fuels, are influencing the climate.” Go find the Slate article which does a good job of debunking his essay in the Wall Street Journal.

        Any real Bluejay would not consider Konin’s post as credible, but you readily do because it agrees with your viewpoint. Not how I was taught to find the truth at Prep.

      • Benghazi!!-Benghazi!! says:

        Good call, Oracle.

        The Slate piece is thorough in exposing Koonin for what he is.
        The scientist Bluejay quotes is Steven Koonin, a former chief scientist for British Petroleum.
        Do the words ‘tar sands’ ring a bell? How about, DeepWater Horizon?

        Importantly, if you look at the quote Bluejay provides (from The Daily Caller, or World Nut Daily, or MadWorldNews, or InfoWars – the only sites pushing this purposefully fabricated ‘news’) , you’ll see that they’ve widely exaggerated the statement of their useful tool, Steven Koonin.
        (and this is exactly what, in 2014, the Slate article predicted – Steven Koonin is the new tool of the right wing’s climate denialism)

        The articles each reference a 3 min 24 sec video interview by the WSJ of Koonin (just long enough to introduce the fabrication). Throughout that interview the most inflammatory thing Koonan states is:
        “What you saw coming out of the press releases about climate data, climate analysis, was, I’d say, misleading, sometimes just wrong,”

        And from that statement, immediately hatched from the nuttery of right wing media is:
        “President Barack Obama’s administration spun scientific data to manipulate public opinion.”

        and more egregious –
        “the Obama administration he said were responsible for manipulating climate data.”

        NO – no he did NOT say that – YOU DID!

        He said it was his opinion, an opinion clearly not shared by his peers, that some of the the information published in 2014 was misleading. He then goes on to cite a single anomaly, the frequency of hurricanes, which apparently haven’t risen to levels predicted.
        Well, in other scientific news, they found a new species of horn-faced dinosaur in Mexico in February, but that doesn’t change the fact that dinosaurs went extinct roughly 65 million years ago and it doesn’t upend the field of Paleontology.

        But of course, Bluejay found the nuggets (purposefully fabricated, then distorted) he needed to support his fundamentalist ideology, and no matter how contemptible and debased the source of this comforting information, his quest had ended, in victory.

      • Bluejay says:

        The larger truth about climate change is that it is a prediction about events in the distant future based upon a number of models that have been wrong for over thirty years. Computer models can’t predict complex global climate changes. Heck, the computer models had Hillary wining. I would further add that the actual measurements of Earth’s temperature have been adjusted.

        There is no escaping the fact that Germany fully bought into the CAGW scam. Result? Electricity is three-four times as much as in Nebraska.

        CAGW is a scam designed to funnel money to academics, the Street and a few favored companies. It is a complete waste of money all to virtue signal.

      • Oracle says:

        Heck, the computer models had Hillary wining.

        The obvious response is that it’s much easier and more accurate to predict physical phenomena that always follow the strict laws of physics than to predict human behavior which can often be irrational and is not as constricted.

    • anon says:

      Watching Mello in the legislature and a OWH article earlier this year you are right on his MO, the fire department network, TIF buddies, but he also needs a (real) job

    • Anonymous says:

      Yadda, yadda, yadda, Bluejay. Can you explain the scientific data or not. Not what you read about someone who says they understand the data. Actual scientific papers by actual scientists. That is where this discussion is really taking place. Not laypeople but the folks doing the work.

      I am not a climatologist or atmospheric scientist. That doesn’t stop me from trying to make what sense I can of the refereed (sic) papers in science journals on this topic. I have no interest you my beliefs, your beliefs (Bluejay) or anyone’s so-called belief or expertise. I want the best science I can get on this subject, period. Anyone can educate themselves and do the work needed to get some insight from actual scientists.

      • Bluejay says:

        It is not science if one is making a prediction about future events and all past predictions have been horribly wrong.

        The Left has turned science into religion. And anyone who doesn’t believe their predictions about future events must be persecuted as a “denier.”

      • Anonymous says:

        I’m a Libertarian, not a “leftist.’ And you are begging the question. Unlike you I don’t mind being wrong as long as I can see where my mistakes are. Don’t rely on rhetoric. Do science. Where are the climate scientists wrong? Bad data, no data, misinterpreted data, weak models, mathematical or factual mistakes? Where are the mistakes, Bluejay? Can you find and explain those mistakes as a scientific peer to other qualified scientists doing this research? I’m waiting.

      • Anonymous says:

        This might be a good starting place for you, Bluejay:

        CMIP5 – Coupled Model Intercomparison Project Phase 5 – Overview

        ‘At a September 2008 meeting involving 20 climate modeling groups from around the world, the WCRP’s Working Group on Coupled Modelling (WGCM), with input from the IGBP AIMES project, agreed to promote a new set of coordinated climate model experiments. These experiments comprise the fifth phase of the Coupled Model Intercomparison Project (CMIP5).

        CMIP5 will notably provide a multi-model context for 1) assessing the mechanisms responsible for model differences in poorly understood feedbacks associated with the carbon cycle and with clouds, 2) examining climate “predictability” and exploring the ability of models to predict climate on decadal time scales, and, more generally, 3) determining why similarly forced models produce a range of responses.”

      • Bluejay says:

        Full implementation of the carbon emissions targets of the Clean Power Plan will avert only 0.018 degrees C of warming by the year 2100 per the EPA.

        Translation: The federal government wants to spend trillions and totally disrupt the US economy for 0.018? That’s insane.

        Cui bono? The cronies who make batteries, electric cars, solar panels and windmills.

        Climate change is all about virtue signaling, liberal guilt and money.

      • blah says:

        Bluejay continues to trot out shop worn nuggets of the fossil fuel funded right wing.

        A discussion focusing on the 0.018 is deceit, and saying the CPP would cost “trillions” is just horseshite you yourself made up out of whole cloth.

        The Clean Power Plan was not crafted nor marketed as a s solitary assault on global warming.
        It was crafted as a remarkably effective tool allowing us to begin the process of reigning in global warming while bringing hundreds of thousands of new, good paying jobs to Americans and placing America at the forefront of clean energy innovations.
        There is a comprehensive Regulatory Impact Analysis that accompanies the Clean Power Plan and it lays in great detail the profound and far reaching benefits of the Plan.

        Snopes effectively covers your version of this fossil fuel funded GOP skullduggery by a handful of Neanderthals of the right in an article titled:
        “Did Obama’s EPA Director Say the Clean Power Plan Would Have ‘No Effect’ on Carbon Emissions?”

        These people, you cite Bluejay, like Koonan, John Barasso, Rick Santorum and Lamar Smith – they all get paid for their obfuscation. The fossil fuel industry crafts for them lovely golden parachutes that await in their retirement.

        What’s you’re motivation?

      • Anonymous says:

        Bluejay may be right (except for his constant cry of “janekleeb’ all the time). He/she/it/them has a lot of hard work to do to convince me. I am only convinced by hard science. I’m waiting.

  20. Anonymous says:

    In Dec 2015, the WASHINGTON POST analyzed “speeches, interviews and thousands of tweets and retweets over the past six months” by Trump and found that what seemed chaotic randomness, instead proved Trump a “DISCIPLINED and METHODICAL candidate.”

    Unless one chooses to become insane, they thereafter cannot assume him kneejerk, random and stupid. Yet Trump haters, including the Washington Post, went right back to needing him to be stupid.

    The PC-twisting of facts, that can convince suckers, requires that one keep a dispassionate wit. That wit evaporates in the heat of hate that disregards facts and even the pretense of logic.

    Progressives ignore the “don’t get mad get even” axiom and are crippled by their own madness.

    They seem unaware that by them condemning free speech, etc., even the most distracted unpolitical Americans see Progressives as creepy, unamerican and unelectable, and a poison to Democratic Party working voters who, as unionists, voted for Trump. Democrats in general feel they need to believe Trump is random and stupid. It’s like a cancer that was dormant within the leftist core.

    • Anon says:

      The only president to have more spectacularly failed in his first 100 days in office, was William Henry Harrison, the ninth president of the United States.

      Harrison died 1 month into his term.

  21. Isn't that special says:

    “House GOP Exempts Itself From Zombie Trumpcare”

    In their latest iteration of Trumpcare, House Republicans desperate to gut Obamacare – relieving 10’s of millions of working poor and those with pre-existing condition from the new found security of health insurance – were heinous enough to insert into their law a provision protecting themselves and their staff from their mindless, ideology fueled destruction.
    Seems your GOP Congressman has grown fond of the protections afforded by Obamacare and they’d like to keep their own insurance exactly as it is.

  22. bynd says:

    But even if we were to convince everyone to stop cutting down trees, start re-foresting the planet, switch to environmentally friendly fuels and energy production methods, and generally try to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, the Earth’s temperature could continue to climb. It could take as long as 1,000 years after a complete halt of greenhouse gas emissions for environmental measures like sea level and ocean surface temperature to return to pre-industrial levels [source: NOAA]. In addition, other factors besides greenhouse gas emissions can contribute to global warming.

    From comments on the 2012 AMS statement on climate change,

    As currently written, it perpetuates the myth that there is a broad peer-reviewed literature agreement with all of the claims of findings that are in the report. This is not the case. If the Statement is accepted as written, it will not only be easy to refute significant parts of it, but it will present the American Meteorological Society as an advocacy group rather than an objective professional organization. Pielke Sr., R.A., and R.L. Wilby,

    Indeed, to claim one knows the science, and Mr. Pielke, an ISI Highly Cited Researcher, would require one to read his Advocacy Masquerading as Science. A reveling look at the IPCC. And many of his other works.

    So what a bureaucrat states about policy is less important than separating carbon policy from climate policy and realizing what is science and what is not,
    Roger Pielke Jr.,2 a political scientist specializing in climate guidelines, summarized the problem into three broad categories:

    1 Too often, climate policies flow against public opinion.
    2 Economic growth is often pitted against climate policy.
    3 Current technology is not sufficient to meet confirmed climate targets.

    thanks to Dr. Kevin Birdwell and Mr. Pielke.

    To lower the PPM of CO2 content in the atmosphere costs about 1 trillion per ppm. Since we are at about 400 ppm and the preferable is 350, you’re talking $50 trillion. Close to the out put of the world in one year.

    And, considering our current position in the Quaternary age is contrary to the history of that age, i.e. we are in a 9000 year stable period of temp on the earth, one has to wonder, why and when will it change? In fact rapid changes in temp of up to 7 degrees in 50,000 years is not unheard of in this age.

    Thanks to Hugh Ross, Improbable Planet.

    Are the scientists wrong? No. They just don’t agree at any high percentage of what it all means and what to do about it.
    And the highly respected institutions we should trust to guide us, IPCC and AMS are just two, certainly are not without their biases and agendas. As Hillary might say, what does it matter, the earth will die anyway.
    On the universe time scale, sooner rather than later.

  23. Bluejay says:

    To all of you global warming nuts: The scam is over. Trump won. The American people won. Now go bother the Chinese about real pollution.

    • Anonymous says:

      Science please. Not optional. We’ll still be doing science – I hope – after the American people win again, no matter who we elect.

      The rhetoric you’ve reverted to, its mere slogans, the ‘art’ of saying nothing. I won’t spend whatever life I have left putting up with it, hearing someone spewing nothing and saying nothing in return.

      Science. I won’t accept anything less or anything different. Neither should you or anyone else. I don’t understand why this is difficult. Science is more than ED drugs and WMDs.

      • bynd says:

        too stupid to know you are stupid,

        You wouldn’t know science if it got jammed up your back side with a 2 x 12. That much is obvious since you obviously didn’t read any of it.

        You are one stupid person. Especially if you think anyone buys your crap. If you can’t refute it, then don’t try. Go blow your smoke up another snowflakes bum. You both would love it.

        What a waste of good air. That would include the air in Mexico city.

      • bynd says:

        At least I know the science and what it means. All you parrot the word science.

        So yes I can do better. Since you obviously can’t speak to climate change with any amount of intelligence at this time, come back when you can. Or is it once a rube always a rube.

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published.