Hal Daub: It’s Time to Approve the Keystone XL Pipeline

Hal Daub is a lifelong Nebraskan. He is a member of the University of Nebraska Board of Regents and is a former Representative of Nebraska’s 2nd Congressional District and former Mayor of the City of Omaha.

This week, the Nebraska Public Safety Commission (PSC) will meet to hear final arguments in approving the last leg of the Keystone XL pipeline. The decision of the PSC will be the end of a process that has lasted for far too long, and has held up economic benefits for communities across Nebraska and the country.

Since 2009, environmental extremists have worked to stall production of Keystone by promoting doomsday scenarios with little basis in facts. The realities are that Keystone will lead to thousands of jobs, hundreds of millions of dollars in new revenue, and reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

We can all agree that safekeeping our lands, whether in Nebraska or other states, is of utmost importance. That’s one of the reasons we need pipelines like Keystone.

As a country, we still rely on clean fossil fuels, like natural gas, to power our daily lives. That isn’t going to change anytime soon.  While one day we may be able to affordably depend on energy sources other than fossil fuels, we simply aren’t there yet. Therefore these energy sources need to be transported, and pipelines are the safest way of doing so. Without them, we would be forced to rely on rail, tankers, and trucking transports, which have far more risks than pipelines. In fact, 99.99 percent of natural gas and petroleum products moved via pipelines reach their destinations safely. The Obama Administration’s own State Department’s review of Keystone concluded alternative transport options all had higher environmental impacts.

Ironically, if environmental activists had their way and banned pipelines, we would end up producing even more greenhouse gasses by having to utilize modes of transport reliant with high emission levels.

There’s also the vast economic benefits directly related to Keystone. Construction of the pipeline itself would create thousands of jobs, along with the thousands created as a result of new investments in the energy sector.

Keystone will also generate about $55 million in new property taxes for 27 counties, 12 of which are in Nebraska. One study concluded Nebraska would add over $580 million in labor income, boosting the state’s GDP by $679 million over the 15 years after completing construction.

The benefits of Keystone speak for themselves, however it’s the alternatives that are most alarming. Radical environmentalists either don’t know or don’t care about the disastrous consequences that would occur if they achieved their goals of banning pipelines everywhere. We’ve already seen what happens to communities where it’s been done before.

New York State self-imposed a pipeline ban, and the results are exactly what you would expect. By 2020, the state is expected to see 1.6 billion less in their GDP, and the loss of 17,400 jobs. The rest of the Northeast can expect 78,000 jobs to disappear, thanks to New York’s decision.

It’s fairly simple, this comes down to a choice that protestors don’t want to acknowledge exists: are we willing to pay more in energy costs, for the services we receive, and the goods we purchase, in exchange for banning pipelines and ultimately fossil fuel production? I’m not.

It is intellectually dishonest for any group protesting this pipeline that 1) has never protested any of the scores of Nebraska underground pipelines crisscrossing our state in the past, 2) does not recognize the international relationships on the issue of trade with our best partner, Canada, and 3) does not protest railroad and trucking transport of oil that is much more dangerous on every count than pipeline conveyance.  If that were the case, their howls would be more logical and would then have the climate-change apologists acting more rationally.  As the protesters stand, their position is discredited by their inconsistent approach.

For too long we’ve delayed unleashing the economic potential of the Keystone XL pipeline. With approval from the PSC, we can safely transport necessary fuels, reduce greenhouse gas emissions, and generate hundreds of millions of dollars for our great state. This is about as simple of a decision as there is.

211 comments

  1. Bluejay says:

    LJS reports 500 useful idiots on parade; many were bussed in from other states. How much were they paid by Russia and OPEC? When will Jane Kleeb release her bitcoin account info? Cui bono?

    • Anonymous says:

      Not to mention that Has Been Hal has no more to say about this then average Jane or Joe Citizen. Daub is a Regent, for all the good that does him. Not a mayor, not a member of congress. No more or less to day about the work of the PSC than the average bum.

  2. Once again, Hal Daub adds a common sense voice to the political discussion. He clearly echoes the sentiment of the majority of Nebraskans. We are not willing to pay more. We want value. A pipeline is the most secure and most efficient mode of transportation for this type of raw material. It will deliver the greatest value, provide a host of new higher paying jobs and help to ensure a greater degree of energy independence. This KXL project should be approved straight-away.

    • Oracle says:

      Typical Republican short-term thinking. And this is not a typical pipeline as TransCanada refuses to tell anyone the chemicals actually flowing through the pipeline. Considering the demand for the tar sands crap has dropped precipitously, even with PSC approval it will most likely never be built.

    • notbynd says:

      Approval doesn’t guarantee completion. TransCanada is iffy about this project, at best. Is anyone in line behind TC to do the job? Anyone, Bueller?

  3. Anonymous says:

    Actually it is a good read until the end when Daub blew it. After giving his three conditions for affirming intellectual honesty on the part of KXL protesters, Daub charges such protesters with “howls” of illogic. Yet the protesters’ pivotal value is not about making money; it is Daub’s three asserted values which miss the mark!

    Trade and safe transport of fossil fuels is not their goal, and yes, environmentalists are willing to pay up front costs of converting to renewable fuels. So in the interest of “intellectual honesty” perhaps Daub should admit his true disinterest in environmental protection. And then he will have made his point!

    • notbynd says:

      Who is Hal Daub and who cares what he thinks about KXL?

      Regent Daub needs to keep his boot in Hank Bound’s ass – Bounds and the regrettable NU Foundation. There is money to be saved at Nebraska’s public, land grant University. Daub ought to his yap shut and go save our money. Not from the students. Not from academics. The parasitic NU administrative class needs to go.

  4. To Patrick Bonnett says:

    Yeah, says the guy on NRD who put out a bunch of bonds to help developers with the taxpayer footing the bill. No one cares what the tax and spend NRD thinks imho.

  5. Piping hot says:

    No need to dive into details. Just look at the trash atop the water. Kleeb clearly said she surrenders. She recently backtracked on union Democrats needing the pipeline. Eight years of green advocacy sunk by Kleeb herself.

    There really was no need for Daub to say how wrong she was on the matter. But being a lawyer, simply explaining things gives way to a need to advocate against the bastion that has already fallen.

    Kleeb is stuck. Too stupid to know why she was offered the captaincy of a sinking ship. The Democratic Party lost its core of working union people to the populist who is currently prodding DC Republicans. He had vital help from Hillary who told Democratic Party coal miners, who dig holes rather like pipeline workers dig holes, to go screw themselves. Even Kleeb’s substantial eyebrows cannot be raised high enough to overcome that insanity.

    • White Flag says:

      Kleeb not only surrendered the pipeline fight (told Mike McDonnell she was going to “drop it”) she also surrendered the Governor’s office to Bob Krist.

  6. chuckle says:

    I see the quality of discussion on here has improved immensely since some who you wanted to leave, no longer post on here. ( BIG SARC)

    But many of us can use the naps generated by the current exciting posts.

    One again, suppression of free speech shows why it is against the Constitution.

      • give them a safe spot says:

        That being the “we aren’t suppressing free speech but please leave” like you. chuckle

      • Anonymous says:

        We haven’t asked you to leave we have only asked you to be courteous. And use your own moniker.

      • not we, just you says:

        It never cease to amaze, the narcissistic asses that now inhabit our world. Questions , is this your site? Have you been appointed a monitor? Do you have any power over anyone on this site other than yourself?

        The answer to all those questions is no. The only control/power you have over anyone on here is yourself. And you obviously can’t even do that because you can’t resolve any of your personal issues you have with the site.

        So, go start your own site and make all the rules you want. When you try to do it here, you are little more than one of the biggest whiners of all. Control yourself, for a change, and lead by example. You know like further down where you say that is what Trump should. Walk the talk.

        But if you don’t like it here or what goes on here, remember, control yourself to resolve the problem, because it is your problem. You don’t do well at all, discerning other’s problems and correcting them. Nor, do you have authority to do so.

      • TexasAnnie says:

        Good Grief bynd! “Narcissistic asses” you say? Look in the mirror…

        I do realize that you feel vindicated in so far as I have bothered to respond to your juvenile bid for attention. But bynd, if you would only look back at your own postings you would realize that you are badly in need of your own advice!

      • another self appointed monitor says:

        TA,
        Thanks for proving my point about self righteous, narcissistic asses. Those who think they have some right to tell others what to do.

        Start working on your own self control. And when and if you get yourself under control, keep working on it. For such as you, it is a lifetime endeavor. I won’t hold my breath waiting for you to accomplish such control. At your advanced age, if you haven’t figured it out by now, it probably isn’t going to happen.

        Judgmental folks like you, and Phelps and Falwell, just can’t help believing you are always right and people want to hear what you have to say about them.

        When I need your advice, I’ll ask for it. Hint, don’t hold your breath waiting for me to ask.

  7. notbynd says:

    A little Daub ‘ll do ya. Not the best guest spot…ever. Back to the Regents with ya, I’m sure there’s work that needs doing at NU. I suggest terminating a few administrators at random annually to keep costs down. The students will thank you.

  8. Oracle says:

    (not a) Bluejay, maybe I’ve been too rough on you. The standards at Creighton have obviously declined since my undergrad days if they can still employ a hack like Ernie Goss. I forget the details, but years ago he was arguing against something or other and completely ignored the multiplier effect. Even I with just a year of Economics classes caught it. Now Dave Domina at the PSC hearing got him to admit that his report on the socio-economic benefits of the pipeline was just an update of a report generated by a pro-pipeline group out of Houston, the Consumer Energy Alliance. It’s clear Ernie bases his “research” on who the highest bidder is.

    • Bluejay way says:

      Ernie Goss represents perfectly your kind, it just shows how flaky you clowns are, you talk Creighton but you’re just an old democrat hick

  9. Political Novice says:

    I see today where pastor Robert Jeffress, one of President Trump’s evangelical advisers has released a statement saying that God has given Trump moral authority to take out North Korean leader Kim Jong In. He obviously has a direct pipeline (no, not the Keystone one) to God’s wishes. I feel so much better now.

    Gott mit uns.

    • notbynd says:

      And the magisterial Reformers condemned the Roman Papacy for overreaching. That’s rich. Thanks to the Reformation everybody is their own Pope, with their own, contradictory line to the Almighty.

      Ignore all of them and let’s all shut ourselves up, too. We can’t even do the little that Jesus asks of us.

  10. PRP says:

    NK has warheads that can kill Omaha and yet Democrats are worried that Trump isn’t nice enough to the NK Communist killers. Shades of Chamberlin. It is as if Neville’s ghost is alive inside DC partisan elites and Winston’s alive in Trump.

    For ten years, President Clinton gave NK food and President Bush gave NK fuel oil, while both Bill and George begged NK not to make nukes. Begged on their knees while paying off fat boy. But he made them anyway. And now the same Democrats and Republicans want Trump to get on his knees just like Bill and George did. The Donald won’t. Because appeasement never works. It emboldens bad actors. It makes things worse.

    Sucky appeasement is what Democrats love to do, what Republicans are afraid not to do, and what Trump was empowered to never do. Chances are he won’t.

    Pick a side. Chamberlin is one thing. Quisling is another.

    • notbynd says:

      Trump is a pussy. The only uniform he ever wore was a band uniform at his military school, where is parents sent him because they didn’t know what to do with him.

      No words are needed. From anyone. Impose a blockade on NK by all means of transport. Imprison their foreign workers. Get the logistics machine working to preposition assets where needed. Squeeze Fatty Kim ’til he pops like a zit. Let South Korea, Japan and China clean up the mess when we’re done. Do this now.

      Unfortunately Trump doesn’t have the self-discipline and stamina needed to truly lead. Thank goodness Mattis is SecDef or we’d be well and truly screwed.

      • Anonymous says:

        Imprison their foreign workers? Naw. Just blow up the damn test missiles. Then NK can’t learn anything new and we won’t be guilty of killing innocents.

      • notbynd says:

        Killing is what makes war terrible. If NK wants war give them one – until they beg for war to stop. Teach NK a lesson the few, remaining survivors of that wretched state will remember forever: fear of God and the United States.

      • The Grundle King says:

        And the millions and millions of dead in Seoul and other parts of South Korea…what do they learn from this war of yours?

        Oh…nothing. Because they’re all dead. The few that survive will learn that maybe depending on the Americans to protect them wasn’t a super great idea.

  11. Da Judge! says:

    It’s bynd. He’s the jerk. And he’ll prove it by writing volumes that amount to nothing, right here, real soon…

  12. TexasAnnie says:

    Well, I see that bynd has run everyone else off, so I guess I’m off, for now, too.
    Evidently even Street Sweeper will not post with bynd here!

    • the monsters are leaving L street says:

      No, it was Les Goodman. He controls the L street neighborhood.

      No it is Steve.

      It’s Tommy, the little boy!

    • bynd says:

      TA,

      Fond memories of my childhood when the children were forced out of the pool so the adults could swim without a bunch of little kiddies peeing in the pool because they couldn’t control themselves.

      The level of discourse has already improved. And the hate speech has declined significantly.

    • Anonymous says:

      I was hoping to tune in for some more of that special brew of Leavenworth Street right wing horseshit about evil ANTIFA, showing up to disrupt the good folks of the “Unite the Right” KKK rally.

      Or maybe a comment supporting your White Supremacist president, who blamed “many sides” for the vile, racist violence of the extremists that have found a new home in the welcoming arms of the Republican party.

      What was it that Klan leader David Duke tweeted out to your clown president today?

      David Duke @DrDavidDuke
      “I would recommend you take a good look in the mirror & remember it was White Americans who put you in the presidency, not radical leftists.”

      I recommend all of you take a good look in the mirror.

    • hicks and rednecks says:

      Another comment chock full of critical thinking, no doubt meant to start this site down the new path to civil discussion on the deepest of topics. That would be if you are a hick or redneck.

      And if the Trumpkins are gone, why is the only one on here who declares them self a right winger, still left posting?

      Evidently the “educated ‘ can not lead us in a new more critical thinking and civil path.

  13. anonymous says:

    @senorrinhatch
    We should call evil by its name. My brother didn’t give his life fighting Hitler for Nazi ideas to go unchallenged here at home. -OGH
    2:41 PM – 12 Aug 2017

    Pretty sad when Sen Orin Hatch is the conscience of the party.

  14. Anon says:

    Three dead and 20 injured and your piece of shit president refuses to step forward and call out his peeps – the racists and white supremacists responsible for this continuing carnage.
    A violent ideology that propels and motivates a right wing base responsible for electing Trump and accountable for the lasting stain on our White House that is Steve Bannon, Sebastian Gorka and Stephen Miller.

    This was a ‘Unite the Right’ rally.
    Armed Klansmen marching down the streets of an American city in 2017.
    You people can no longer run away from the ignorance and horror you’ve embraced.

    • TA lied, they came back says:

      Actually, the real creators and those giving the most attention to the alt right, are the left. The are the ones who need to run. But away from the harm not towards it.

      It was so nice while you folks were to busy in Charlotte getting your own murdered. And you return to write from the gutter you claim to be better than.

  15. Anonymous says:

    “Blood and soil, blood and soil, blood and soil..”

    That’s the Nazi cry that was chanted by the armed “Unite the Right” marchers in Charlottesville, Virginia.
    A Nazi cry regurgitated by a torch wielding racist mob who have been motivated and inspired by the election of Donald Trump. A mentally deficient subset of our population, encouraged by the constant dog whistles that now emanate from the White House.
    “Many sides” being the new gold standard of dog whistles.

    Must be a proud day to be a Trumper.

    • Gerard Harbison, always and forever #nevertrump says:

      On the Nebraska Libertarian Forum, we had a #unitetheright guy last night. He ended up posting a picture of the Nazi citronella torchlight parade. They don’t ban very much, but that seemed to do it.

  16. notbynd says:

    Trump’s inability to call out America’s homegrown Nazis spells the end of his presidency, no matter how long he soils the Oval Office with his presence.

    As for the Klansman, racists, fascists, Nazis, and the alt-right in Charlottesville, VA, they give filth a bad name. Let’s bring back the noose for the Nazis.

    • dumb, dumber, dumbest says:

      So, the not too bright alt right has a legally protected protest. Permits and all. Although they may have been asked to move to larger venue. And the peaceable left decides to protest against the protest, but from close quarters. Against nationalist and folks carrying guns. And then they, the left, decide to taunt the neo folks until violence erupts.

      While the local myopic apologist are posting the party line of propaganda, trying to blame those who were there in the first place doing what the Constitution guarantees they can do.

      That would be the trifecta of dumb, dumber and dumbest. While those who have no horse in the race, realize once again, it is the violent left that is to blame. All they had to do was stay away.

      Want, to condemn some one? How about those who incited the violence, and that wasn’t the right. Obvious to anyone who doesn’t have a horse in the race.

      Also obvious that the violent left has no one left to be their conscience. Party before country no matter how stupid they look. And they look even more stupid by trying to tie in the lead rs of the country.

      And you folks claim to want a higher level of civil discussion. I doubt you could if your life depended on it.

      • notbynd says:

        Thanks for the load of fertilizer, bynd, I’ll spread in my garden. Why can’t you call homegrown terrorism what it is?

      • notbynd nor intelligent says:

        You should practice truth in advertising and just call yourself can’t have a civil discussion. I would guess your house and yard are already over flowing with all the garbage you spew. You seem to have an endless supply.

      • Gerard Harbison, always and forever #nevertrump says:

        The fact the march was legal didn’t make it less disgusting. And a young woman was killed by the Nazis; specifically, a member of Vanguard America.

      • Anonymous says:

        Oh, bynd. You so crazy. You couldn’t get your citronella torches on time so decided to stay home. Too bad for us.

      • neither side is blameless says:

        Gerard, so legal no longer matters to you. Was it disgusting. Yes. Do disgusting things happen every day protected by law, yes. That’s why we are called the United States of American. Not Venezuela.

        Would the young lady still be alive if she hadn’t been down there? Yes. Death can be a tragedy, especially if it didn’t have to happen.

        The original marchers consisted of 3000.
        00000928792% of the USA’s population. And as usual, the counter protesters came down and expected what to happen? Was it worth dying for?

        The left has another martyr. One that didn’t have to be if the left had true leadership and just ignored what was going on or held their protest on a different day or in a different area.

        Just plain common sense. Which there is little of on either side. And it costs people their lives.

        If the counter protesters leadership couldn’t see it coming, shame on them. How much more stupid can you get. You poke a wild animal with a stick, don’t be surprised when it attacks.

      • Gerard Harbison, always and forever #nevertrump says:

        Did I say, you despicable moron, that ‘legal’ doesn’t matter to me? No, you just made that up, because you can’t argue a position without fabricating straw-men.

        The ‘young lady’ was legally protesting. Of course, you won’t defend her right to legally protest.

        So we shouldn’t protest Nazis because they’re wild animals?

        Anti-anti-Trump is pro-Trump is alt-right.

      • to a post from a hermit, says:

        Anonymous,
        Wild animals don’t belong in town, bynd.

        So you’re saying that there are no wild animals in the city.
        A more stupid statement on what resides in a city has never been made on here.

      • gerard's feeeeeeelings: says:

        Gerard,

        The way you wrote it, you appeared to dismiss the fact that the rally was in accordance with the law. It is only your fault you wrote it in a moronic way. But a great and well thought out argument from an “educated” man. If it didn’t matter why put it in there the way you did?

        Can you prove she was protesting legally? I saw nothing in the media that stated the counter protester had a permit to do so. Or did you just make that up because your arguments are bogus?

        And the point, which you missed in your little boy anger driven rant, she had choices that would have left her alive. I said nothing about her right to protest, just the decisions made by her and those she followed to put themselves in harms way.

        And yes city boy, go out and play with wild animals and the odds are against you. Go and antagonize extremest and what, have s’mores with them afterwards?

        You’ve lost all reason but argue based on feelings. I would think that would be against all you were taught. But then, like all of us you are human, and therefore no different or less susceptible to becoming an incoherent jerk. You’re fulfilling that last part very well, for a hick.

      • notbynd says:

        If someone protests illegally does some nut in a car get to serve as judge, jury and executioner? Quite a hole you’ve dug for yourself, bynd. It’s your cake hole, which you’d do well to shut. You’ve already demonstrated you are an ignorant ass. You’ve turned LSt into a shithole with every comment you make, all for the sake of seeing your words on a web page. Why Sweeper doesn’t filter posters by source IP address or domain – yours, bynd – is beyond me. The smell of your Citronella torch is overwhelming. Please cover it with your mouth and extinguish it.

      • Waaaaaaaaaaaaa says:

        notbynd,
        What a clever and original moniker, get that from your 5 year old. LOL

        Great rant if your a hick. But you’re just like the rest of the self righteous snowflakes on here. No valid point to make. But you get off on your vulgar rants. Vulgarity, the refugee of the illiterate and ignorant.

        As for SS I sure can’t speak for him but it is obvious he is entertained by those on here like you whose panties are in a continuous tight wad. And he certainly isn’t intimated by me like you are.
        Nothing like providing a place for the wackos and then watching them make an ass of themselves.

        I’m sure the world recognizes you as an expert on whose speech needs to be suppressed and whose should not be. (chuckle) Grow up and grow a pair you little wimp or go back to grandma’s basement. All your whining and crying is obnoxious and boorish.

      • Gerard Harbison, always and forever #nevertrump says:

        “The fact the march was legal didn’t make it less disgusting”

        That was the way I wrote it.

        And this moron said “Gerard, so legal no longer matters to you. ”

        Complete non sequitur, of course.

        “Can you prove she was protesting legally? I saw nothing in the media that stated the counter protester had a permit to do so.”

        You don’t need a permit to protest in this country. The right is guaranteed by the First Amendment. Yes, I know it was different back in the old country, in the glorious days of the dritte Reich.

        I think you’re a Nazi, trying to pretend you’re a concerned citizen. Prove me wrong.

      • an expert you are not says:

        Your getting into the ridiculous.

        Pay attention and learn what you should have learned a long time ago.

        You have a Constitutional right to peaceably assemble. You should read that part again. Or is that just an inconvenient truth for you at this time? And there is nothing that stops local jurisdictions from requiring permits to do so. That’s why, moron, the alt right had such a permit.

        I can’t prove you wrong. I can’t stoop to your level of stupid and beat all the experience you have demonstrated that you have accumulated. But you are proving that being “educated” just doesn’t even come close to what it use to mean. Is that a red letter “S” on your forehead?

      • Gerard Harbison, always and forever #nevertrump says:

        That’s “you’re”, idiot.

        Too bad you don’t know crap about the law.

        “On the other hand, the First Amendment generally bars government from requiring a permit when one person or a small group protest in a park, or when a group of any size protest on a public sidewalk in a manner that does not burden pedestrian or vehicle traffic. Such non-permitted protests might involve speeches, press conferences, signs, marches, chants, leaflets, expressive clothing, and efforts to speak with passersby.”

        ACLU. They’re actual, y’know, lawyers.

        ” I can’t stoop to your level of stupid and beat all the experience you have demonstrated that you have accumulated.”

        You can’t even express the pathetic impulses that pass for your thoughts, loon.

      • all you have to do is pay attention says:

        Maybe you should work on understanding the difference between 3000 and one or a few more. I’m sure the math dept at the local high school could help you since I don’t believe class’ at UNL have started yet.

        Also from the ACLU’s know your rights document,

        Can my free speech be restricted because of what I say—even if it is
        controversial?
        No. The First Amendment prohibits restrictions based on the content of speech.
        However, this does not mean that the Constitution completely protects all types
        of free speech activity in every circumstance. Police and government officials are
        allowed to place certain nondiscriminatory and narrowly drawn “time, place and
        manner” restrictions on the exercise of First Amendment rights. Any such
        restrictions must apply to all speech regardless of its point of view.

        Reach down deep Gerard. You still have more stupid deep down in your bowels that you can access. You would be a good lawyer for the Westboro Baptist folks. They keep losing too. Look it up. Just Google Westboro Baptist and Nebraska.

        Anything else you want this rube to educate you on?:) Or are you tired of being embarrassed:)

      • Gerard Harbison, always and forever #nevertrump says:

        Yes, indeed you may be asked to apply for a permit for a rally of 3000 people. In fact the coutnerprotestors had two, both granted by a member of the UVa faculty, named Walt Heinecke. UVA, y’know, that’s where they had a Nazi parade the previous night complete with swastika armbands, hula torches and stiff-armed salutes, but without a permit. You can google it, assuming you know how to do that.

        The murder by your alt-right comrade James Allen Fields happened 3 blocks from Justice Park, where one of the antifascist reallies was legally taking place. The protestors were legally marching from the rally. You don’t need a permit to march to a rally, Oliver Wendell Holmes.

        Don’t lecture me about math, Nazi, I’ve forgotten more than you’ve ever learned. You think numbers end when you run out of fingers.

        You’ve posted total lies on this thread, and the only one who needs to be embarrassed is your mother.

        Rube.

    • Sigmund says:

      “That he is frozen in pathological, crotch-grabbing adolescence is well documented; that his judgment is often deranged by rage is self-evident..

      ..You needn’t be an amateur diagnostician to see that Donald Trump is mentally ill.”

  17. obama same as trump says:

    Last week, the Rev. Al Sharpton called on leaders in both political parties to speak on the shooting of Michael Brown. “Jeb Bush, Hillary Clinton,” he said, “don’t get laryngitis on this issue.”

    I don’t have much to say about Bush, but as much as Clinton deserves criticism for her silence—even as she relies on black voters for her presidential hopes—there’s one more name to add to Sharpton’s list. Barack Obama

    In fairness, the president hasn’t been silent on Brown. He’s given two statements: one after the shooting and initial demonstrations, and another after an especially violent night when police used tear gas and rubber bullets against protesters. But both were lackluster.

    A week later the president gave a fuller statement on the situation, announcing a federal statement civil rights investigation of the Ferguson Police Department and giving an almost obligatory “both sides” condemnation of the violence.

    Ferguson is probably the most important racial event of the Obama administration. In which case, why didn’t Obama—elected on the promise of greater racial understanding—address it with the wisdom we know he has? Why the cautious words?

    One answer is that the White House is keenly aware of the president’s poor standing with large parts of the public. “[T]he White House,” writes Vox’s Ezra Klein, “no longer believes Obama can bridge divides. They believe—with good reason—that he widens them. They learned this early in his presidency, when Obama said that the police had ‘acted stupidly’ when they arrested Harvard University professor Henry Louis Gates on the porch of his own home. The backlash was fierce. To defuse it, Obama ended up inviting both Gates and the arresting officer for a ‘beer summit’ at the White House.”

    Thanks to: Jamelle Bouie

    So, let the hypocrisy continue. Keep your brains turned off and parrot the party line. Remember, party before country and hatred/feelings before logic.

    • notbynd says:

      Obama who? Clinton who? Bush who? Sharpton who? Wouldn’t know ’em if they washed my windshield at a street light for spare change. Not even a nice try. Trying to distract people by bringing up nobodies while innocent blood is spilled in Charlottesville, bynd? The cruelest punishment I can think of for America’s Nazis to dropping YOU on them. An object as dense as your head, on a ballistic trajectory, would be quite destructive. Maybe we can lob you to Fatty Kim’s secret villa and destroy it.

      • nanana boo boo! says:

        Another clever and insightful response from notbynd. Or a mo9re accurate moniker would be, not smarter than a fifth grader. What a clown.

        Mommy, they’re being mean to me!
        RFLMBO

      • notbynd says:

        Bynd, you so Nazi. Your Fuhrer burned to death in a ditch. Maybe your tears can put out the fire?

    • notnotbynd says:

      Here’s the best part, 5 out of your 5 last post have been about me. I don’t know if I should be scared your stalker or flattered you can think of nothing else.

      In any case, all your whining and crying and blubbering about who needs to be band from this site just because you aren’t man enough to deal with it leaves no doubt that even if you could talk your family into going out to the local IHOP, they nodule demand you sit at a different table so you wouldn’t embarrass them.

      You are such a pansy ass.

      • notbynd says:

        So butt hurt. But you bring it on yourself, bynd. We’re onto ya. You change your name constantly but you don’t – can’t – change the way you write. It’s beyond you. We all know its you. You have no idea why you’re here, do you? Can’t write a single post without an ad-hominem, can ya? Pot calling the kettle black? You like to fight and you don’t even know why. Why? Why do you continue to post here? Why? Can you even answer cogently? What do you stand for? Do you even know?

        Let’s look at your last five posts, regardless of the many names you use to post here. What are you on about? All I see is you equating the dead girl under the Nazi’s car with the Nazi driving the car. And you are supposedly a veteran? Of the Luftwaffe? I am not merely ROFLMAO, as you like to say. I am pissing silly myself at your continued inanity. I’ll wait for you to look that up in your Fisher-Price Dictionary.

        You’re outmanned, outgunned and outclassed before your mouth even gapes open. Take your meds, drink a beer, burn a nail and go to sleep. And leave your computer off. Maybe we can get a family member to hide your keyboard.

      • deal with it like a man, not a weasel says:

        And the pansy ass puts forth his manifesto. Nothing valid or truthful to say. Because despite out numbering and out gunning me, (ooh, do you see my fear in my posting?) you are the ones who once again, got out smarted.

        The Keystone cops had nothing on you and your army of snowflakes.

        If we don’t believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don’t believe in it at all. Noam Chomsky

        Freedom of speech and thought matters, especially when it is speech and thought with which we disagree. The moment the majority decides to destroy people for engaging in thought it dislikes, thought crime becomes a reality. Ben Shapiro

    • bynd says:

      notbynd

      The homophobe. You’ll eventually see that a lot from the snowflakes.

      They can’t help but think that calling someone or implying someone is gay is a good slur to hurl at them.

  18. Gerard Harbison, always and forever #nevertrump says:

    Just reading in the Chronicle about the Nazi torchlight march through the University of Virginia campus.

    Larry Sabato, whom some of you may recognize from TV, lives on campus. When the thugs arrived on the center of campus, he had to shelter 15 early-arriving students in his basement, locking the doors. The Dean of Students was clubbed by Nazis while he was trying to rescue students set upon by the mob. They were chanting ‘Jew will not replace us’.

    Of course, the hatred for UVa is the same as the frequent hatred displayed here by the alt-right towards academics. It’s a seething fury against the vague inkling that seeps into their brain that there are people more successful and smarter than them.

    And of course, they’ll never post as anything but as anonymous or pseudonymous cowards.

  19. Anonymous says:

    Herr TrumpenFuhrer is coddling Nazi’s and blowing kisses to the Klan this morning.

    He just took to twitter to publicly attack Ken Frazier, CEO of Merck and one of only a handful of African Americans to run a major global corporation.

    • empathy for a capitalistic drug king pin? says:

      You mean the over paid leader of one of those unethical, price gouging, killing the sick and obscene profit making pharmas?

      OMG. What a conundrum for the poor snowflakes!

      I can hear your conversation with him now.

      We need to a seat at the table for the conversation that will change the world.
      No, we can’t talk to them anymore, we don’t like them, we have principles.
      But you’re a capitalistic and minority leader. You can make a difference.
      Don’t put that on me, I am responsible to the share holders and looking good in the media. Besides, I have drug prices to mark up so you can’t afford the drug and we can gouge the insurance guys. Just like we paid congress to pass a law to allow us to do so.

  20. Anonymous says:

    Silence.

    Funny, the shooting of Steve Scalise at a Virginia ballpark by a crazed, lone gunman living in a car, brought us a much, much different response.
    A response within hours of the shooting. A response that persisted here for weeks.
    An angry admonition to those on the left that; “if you continue to say that Donald Trump and the Republicans are Hitler and the Nazis and the KKK, then pretty soon people will begin to believe it.”

    But hundreds and hundreds of armed, armored, torch wielding right wing terrorists in KKK regalia and MAGA caps, marching through the heart of a Virginia university campus, throwing up the Nazi salute while chanting “Blood and soil, blood and soil”, culminating in 3 dead and dozens injured..
    and nothing.

    • notbynd says:

      Well, finally, just now Trump called the Nazis and the Klan by name. Slow moving nervous system that moves in days and not sub-second. Maybe another golf vacation will help.

    • enough blame to go around says:

      So your saying the driver of the car, as opposed to crazed, lone gunman living in a car, was a calm collected and rational 20 year old human being?

      So, was Heather’s life worth whatever you folks deemed was gained? Bad decisions, in this case leadership, makes for bad outcomes.

      Blame the 20 year old kid, you betcha. But as has been attested too by numerous folks, including the police, both sides came prepared for a fight.

      Why aren’t you holding the leadership of the progressives accountable? Are they not responsible for the safety of the folks they encouraged to follow them?

      • notbynd says:

        If the progressives kill anybody you bet. I doubt anyone will complain if a progressive driver parks their car on some Nazi’s head at high speed, but its still immoral and against the law. As for any Nazis injured by progressive protesters, also wrong (though anyone who gets beat up by a peace-nick deserves their beating in my book).

      • Nazis and progressives, two peas in the same pod. says:

        to notverybright ,

        I have often wondered what the fascination is that progressive have with Nazis. I mean, every time you turn around, they are calling some one a Nazi like it means something.

        And your answer finally helped me figure it out. You could care less about Heather or I guess for anyone who has killed. That is a symptom of being a sociopath.

        So you must actually feel a kinship with the Nazis. Fellow sociopaths in arms. And they give a weak person like you, the feeling of power. You hide behind their legend like scared little rabbits.

        How enlightening you have been tonight. Thanks.

    • The Grundle King says:

      I didn’t realize that the neo-Nazis shot down the police helicopter.

      Oh wait…they didn’t?

      You see, when you attribute the deaths of those officers to the marchers…from either side…you really tarnish your own legitimacy. If the helicopter had crashed while monitoring game-day traffic, would the football team be to blame?

  21. Sigmund says:

    More right wing terror.

    A right wing anti-government terrorist, and admirer of Timothy McVeigh, tried to blow up a bank in Oklahoma.

    He’s part of an Oklahoma militia and known to be a fan of Project Veritas.
    His facebook page reads:
    “We are the sons and daughters of European Heritage, and we are tired of being treated as second class citizens.”

    • hahahahaha says:

      Maybe you snowflakes should find a safer place to post. You never know, as far right as SS is, he might be handing out your IP address so the big bad terrorists can find you. BOO

      • Gerard Harbison, always and forever #nevertrump says:

        I love it, someone posting under a pseudonym accusing others of being cowardly.

      • Who is GH, really? says:

        If you’re considered an educated person, I don’t think anyone else wants any part of the system that supposedly educated you.

        I do believe the only one using the word coward is you.

        Prove you are who you say you are. How would anyone know? Why would anyone care?

      • Gerard Harbison, always and forever #nevertrump says:

        You speak for ‘anyone else’? Talk about delusions of grandeur.

        You couldn’t handle my first semester fundamental chemistry course, yobbo. So you really don’t have the option being part of the system that educated me.

        Yes, I’m calling you a coward, because you’re issuing personal attacks without the cojones to sign your name to them.

        We’ve been through this before. I’ll wager you $50 I can put a note saying ‘This really is Gerard Harbison’on my UNL web page. Of course, I’ll need to know your name, to collect on the bet.

  22. Get thee to the villainous nunnary for thou art pussified says:

    “You needn’t be an amateur diagnostician to see that Donald Trump is mentally ill.”

    At every turn, GOP and Democrat elites twirl their handlebar mustaches and rub their hands, “Ah, ha, we’ve got him now!” Yet they didn’t have him. How long as that been going on? June 2015?

    Hillary Clinton really is brain damaged. A spastic, collapsing, neurological basket case. And you don’t think that scared voters? Jesus, she was drooling in public. The frenzel lenses were there for all to see. She really is crazy. And that atop the fact that unlike good natured Bill whom we all love to see cuckold her and then wiggle out of traps, Hillary was before her brain damage a harridan and stupid crook. Democrats put a brain damaged cranky bitch up for POTUS. How was that ever supposed to work?

    Not to be outdone, Republicans today allow one cranky bastard with aggressive frontal cortex decision-wrecking brain cancer to single handedly stop the USA from fixing a national healthcare system that was put together without anyone reading it and which Democrats today admit at least needs massage. Not long ago, McCain was on the senate floor talking to Comey in such a bizarre confused manner that it made Comey wonder if he talking to a guy with, well, brain cancer.

    But Trump is crazy? Sure. Why not? Being insane has never been a bar to power. But he’s still there. So go on twirling your mustache. If you run out of more brain damaged and brain cancered people to throw up against Trump, the professor can always get you some lead or mercury sulfate to make your own brain damaged leaders. As if this isn’t Wonderland enough.

    • Gerard Harbison, always and forever #nevertrump says:

      Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder

      Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment from others
      Fixated on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, etc.
      Self-perception of being unique, superior and associated with high-status people and institutions
      Needing constant admiration from others
      Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others
      Exploitative of others to achieve personal gain
      Unwilling to empathize with others’ feelings, wishes, or needs
      Intensely envious of others and the belief that others are equally envious of them
      Pompous and arrogant demeanor

      For brevity’s sake, tell me which ones Trump doesn’t have.

  23. Anonymous says:

    The left disarms itself and then speaks as if it isn’t vulnerable. They assume an armed government will protect them from the armed government.

    • Anonymous says:

      Says Crazy Uncle Liberty.

      Hint:
      Your family finds you offensive.
      Your children and grandchildren don’t want you at their holiday gatherings.
      None of them share your lust for armed insurrection. None seek your advise on how to successfully lay away a cache of weapons and survival gear.

      Please, leave our country.

  24. Anonymous says:

    Since 2001, the number of violent attacks on U.S. soil inspired by far-right wing ideology has spiked to an average of more than 300 a year, according to a study by the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point.

    According to an AP story this morning, White Nationalists have come away from this weekend’s deadly violence on a college campus, and Trump’s silence, emboldened and encouraged.
    “We’re going to be more active than ever before,” Matthew Heimbach, a white nationalist leader, said Monday.
    They are already planning new marches on college campuses in the coming months. Florida and Texas A&M are already on their docket.
    The leader of the White Nationalist movement, Richard Spencer, found Trump’s too-late, droll read of the teleprompter yesterday just as convincing as the rest of America, saying:
    “I just don’t take him seriously … it sounded so hollow and vapid,”

    So all of you who imagine more guns are the answer, all of you who have been convinced by Fox News, Alex Jones, Donald Trump and Steve Bannon that you’re being victimized because you are white, all of you who think brown people and black people need to be put back in their place – please, strap up and show up at one of these upcoming Nazi/KKK rallies.
    The rest of America will be there waiting, with an answer.

    • The Grundle King says:

      Rallies without violence are Constitutionally-protected free speech. Counter-protests…also without violence…also share the same protection.

      So I’m curious as to what it is you mean when you say, “The rest of America will be there waiting, with an answer.”

      Believe me, I’d like for nothing more than the neo-Nazis, Klan members, etc. to be dumped on the South Pole, where they’ll get all the white they could ever want. But if the regressive left continues to counter free speech with violence, then what should they really expect but to receive violence in return? I hope the driver of the car is charged with the highest murder count possible, and sentenced to the maximum…but it won’t deter others from doing the same thing, especially when they’ll be practically guaranteed protection from the Aryan Brotherhood once they enter prison.

      It’s unfortunate that the Antifa folks don’t realize that using violence against white supremacists will only further swell their ranks. Much like the Nazi propaganda from WWII, these idiots are selling the message that inferior beings have built a system of oppression aimed at preventing them from achieving success…and nothing better helps spread that message than violent attempts at suppressing their speech.

      So I ask you, what is it that you mean when you say, “The rest of America will be there waiting, with an answer.”?

      What is the answer that you’re waiting to give?

      • Gerard Harbison, always and forever #nevertrump says:

        On Friday evening, the alt-right did a 300-strong torchlight parade across the UVa campus, a direct invocation of the May 10, 1933 parades across German campuses in search of books by Jewish authors. They didn’t do any book-burning, this time. But they did chant antisemitic and Nazi slogans. They were met by 20 student demonstrators, and promptly surrounded them. A faculty member and the Dean of Students tried to intervene to free the students; the Dean was clubbed. This was before Saturday’s rallies, and it’s where the violence began.

      • The Grundle King says:

        I am aware of this, GH, and those responsible for those acts of violence should be brought to justice.

        But if violence begets violence, then does not more violence beget more violence? The idea that either side’s 1st Amendment rights can, and should, be suppressed through violent, physical confrontation is quite frankly (trigger warning!) retarded. I don’t use that word lightly…I mean seriously that anyone who thinks violence is an appropriate response to speech is mentally impaired. The white supremacists WANT a physical reaction. As much as the left thinks it’s funny to say ‘Punch a Nazi!’, their addled brain can’t understand that, in acting on that premise, they’re giving those racist assholes exactly what they want…evidence that they live in a society that stacks the deck against them.

        Police…who are charged with upholding and enforcing the law…should not stand idly by while anyone is assaulted with weapons, regardless of how much reasonable people might believe the victim ‘has it coming’. Do I feel bad that some Nazi-wannabes got beaten up? Absolutely not. Should the police stand by and watch it happen…throwing a tacit stamp of approval on such violence? No way in hell.

        Anyways…going back to the question I had for OP, what is the ‘answer’ that these anti-racist folks are waiting to give? If it’s to march in peaceable opposition, then I support them in their endeavor, and wish more power to them. But if their answer is to don their little masks (not much different from a hood, really) and rally their ‘troops’ to confront speech with violence, then they really aren’t any better than their enemies.

      • Anonymous says:

        “rally their ‘troops’ to confront speech with violence”

        So you imagine it’s ‘speech’ these armed, armored neo Nazi’s and Klansmen came to UVA to share?

        Google up the Vice News video on the Charlottesville riot.

      • it's all about freedom of speech says:

        Maybe you should first understand how speech is defined by the courts. Lay people, inlcuding

        legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Freedom+of+Speech

        thanks to brainyquote

        We should silence anyone who opposes the right to freedom of speech. Boyle Roche

        Freedom of speech is always under attack by Fascist mentality, which exists in all parts of the world, unfortunately. Lawrence Ferlinghetti

      • The Grundle King says:

        Being “armed and armored” is pretty much irrelevant until one makes a conscious decision to use those weapons against others.

        Crazy and outlandish as it may sound to you…a person is not limited to exercising one Constitutional right at a time. Whosoever throweth the first punch has violated the rights of the person they assaulted. At that point, the person who has been assaulted as the right to engage in violence for the purposes of self-defense. It goes a little something like this…

        Armed neo-Nazi: Teh Goyim knowz!!!
        Antifa: *Punches a Nazi
        Armed neo-Nazi: *Stabs Antifa

        As much as you may not like it…the only person who has committed a crime in that scenario is the Antifa. As morally wrong and repulsive as the neo-Nazi may be, they’ve acted within their rights to free speech and self-defense.

        Acting violently on Saturday because someone else acted violently on Friday night…that’s not self-defense. Continuing to beat someone who’s laying on the pavement, and who no longer presents a threat to your safety…that’s not self-defense. Driving your car into a crowd of protesters…even if they’ve assaulted you…that’s not self-defense. That’s vigilantism…and ‘vigilante justice’ is not justice, as it deprives the accused of their right to due process.

        Now, of course, the Constitution has not been held to protect speech that is interpreted as ‘fighting words’, and that such speech can be restricted….but only by the Government. Not by a citizen who takes exception to those words…because that is (***wait for it***) vigilantism.

        I mean, it’s pretty goddamn ridiculous that I have to explain any of this.

      • Anonymous says:

        It’s pretty goddamn ridiculous that you feel so strongly compelled to rise to the defense of the Klan.

        Here’s Justin Moore, the Grand Dragon for the Loyal White Knights of Ku Klux Klan:
        “I’m sorta glad that them people got hit and I’m glad that girl died,” Moore said in a voicemail to WBTV. “They were a bunch of Communists out there protesting against somebody’s freedom of speech, so it doesn’t bother me that they got hurt at all.”

        “I think we’re going to see more stuff like this happening at white nationalist events,” Moore warned.

      • The Grundle King says:

        “It’s pretty goddamn ridiculous that you feel so strongly compelled to rise to the defense of the Klan.”

        And there we have it…the reason we cannot have a middle ground, or a reasonable discussion.

        Because when a person stands in defense of Constitutional rights for all…he’s really just a closet-Klansman.

        So allow me to say this in no uncertain terms…go have yourself a good, hard sit on a nice, tall cactus.

      • The Grundle King says:

        Since I don’t feel like repeating myself, GFY.

        Oh…and still no answer.

        As someone who didn’t want Trump, didn’t vote for Trump, has criticized Trump, and has repeatedly expressed disdain towards white supremacists, it’s oh-so-comforting to know that I can still be labeled a Klansman (or a Nazi? Which is it?) for committing the thought crime of not virtue signalling hard enough.

      • Anonymous says:

        Andrew Anglin, Editor of the neo-Nazi site Daily Stormer, is another for whom Trump and his legion feel the need to provide succor.
        Anglin spoke out on the murder, by his fellow right wing terrorists, of 32 year old Heather Heyer:
        “Had she not died yesterday, hundreds of thousands of dollars would have been spent on propping-up this gross creature who had failed to do her most basic duty – her only real duty, in fact – and reproduce,”

        But it’s just dialogue, a chance to share, that these terrorists are seeking. Right?

        The fact is that hundreds of Klan members and neo Hitler Youth arrived in NC armed and armored, then marched, torches ablaze, through a college campus chanting “blood and soil”, before beating down some college kids and Professor – and the following day regrouping for Round 2 – yet your president characterizes these people and this scene as “very fine people on both sides”.

      • The Grundle King says:

        Yes…all disgusting and disturbing.

        But by all means, if you’ve got a legally defensible reason (i.e. established legal precedent) that would definitively prove that what they’re engaging in is not Constitutionally-protected free speech, then I’d love to hear all about it. Or, if you could tell me what law(s) they violated when they (in your words), “…arrived in NC armed and armored, then marched, torches ablaze, through a college campus chanting “blood and soil”…”that would be great, as well. I left off the part about the assault on the students and professor, because I’m pretty sure I said, “…those responsible for those acts of violence should be brought to justice.”

        And still no answer to the original question.

        Oh, and he’s your President, too. Rekt!

      • Anonymous says:

        Your challenge –
        “But by all means, if you’ve got a legally defensible reason (i.e. established legal precedent) that would definitively prove that what they’re engaging in is not Constitutionally-protected free speech, then I’d love to hear all about it.”

        1942 Supreme Court ruling, Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire: “fighting words” are not protected under the First Amendment.
        The Court defines fighting words as “those which by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace.”

        U.S. Constitutional Law Professor Caroline Mala Corbin (Univ. of Miami School of Law) says the repeated use/chants of “faggot” and the n-word by neo-Nazis and Klan members at Saturday’s demonstration clearly fit this category of unprotected speech.

        There are numerous court rulings (the ‘legal precedent’ you demand) demonstrating that the acts of the Klan and Nazis on the UVA were in fact -NOT- constitutionally protected free speech. For just one example, google –
        Interest of H.K., 2010 ND 27, 778 N.W.2d 764
        Wherein the North Dakota Supreme Court ruled that while the First Amendment does protect use of the slur (n-word), “an objectively reasonable person would find the totality of [the defendant’s] statements constituted explicit and implicit threats that were likely to incite a breach of the peace or violent reaction and alarm the listener.”

        What else ya got?

      • The Grundle King says:

        There ya go! Finally working that brain of yours.

        I think you’ll find that, if you look into the matter further, the ‘fighting words’ precedent is specific to the use of such slurs as direct provocation of specific individuals (Surprise! I read stuff, too!). I agree that there’s a well-set precedent that ‘fighting words’ are not protected speech. No argument there.

        What I don’t know, and what you don’t know, either…because NEITHER of us was there…is whether or not there were any direct ‘fighting word’ provocations…or whether it was general chants of those slurs. If the supremacists were directing slurs at specific individuals, then no, it’s not protected speech. So then the question becomes, what can be done about it?

        Really…what should the authorities do when chanted slurs become insults directed at individuals? I’m sure the authorities would love to know, too.

        What…is…your…answer?

        It really is as simple as admitting that you don’t have one. I will freely admit that I don’t have an answer, either. I don’t know how our system can properly balance Constitutional rights with civil protections…especially when you’re dealing with a group of asshats who would just as soon piss on our Constitution if it meant they could create a white fascist government.

        No one knows everything…no point in pretending otherwise.

      • Anonymous says:

        “What I don’t know, and what you don’t know, either…because NEITHER of us was there…is whether or not there were any direct ‘fighting word’ provocations…”

        Really?
        There’s ample video evidence of exactly such provocations.
        And there’s ample video evidence of such provocations, immediately followed by physical beat downs and flowing blood.

        And, what’s my answer?
        How about enforce the laws that are on the books.
        The “fighting words” precedent does in fact exist – it’s real, it’s law, it’s enforceable.
        And coincidentally, this is the same exact solution you on the right always demand when it comes to things like gun control and immigration – enforce the laws that are on the books!

        Law enforcement officers simply need to be fitted with cameras allowing them to capture the video evidence of these ‘fighting words’, and ARREST THESE CRETINS!!
        And if the cops are afraid to do it, bring in the Marines, lot’s of tasers and maybe some elephant tranquilizers.
        Put a few hundred neo Nazis, Klan members and right wing terrorists in jail for a few months and you can be certain to see a significant decline in those 300 acts of right wing violence in America every year, as reported by West Point’s Combating Terrorism Center.

        See, we on the left are, and always have been, the reasonable ones.
        We respect and value free speech. We don’t desire to pass reprehensible new laws, as is the want of Republicans.
        Laws such as those moving through Red State capitals right now that would allow Uncle Liberty to run over DFHs and left leaning protesters who happen to linger too long in the crosswalk.

      • The Grundle King says:

        “And, what’s my answer?
        How about enforce the laws that are on the books.

        And coincidentally, this is the same exact solution you on the right always demand when it comes to things like gun control and immigration – enforce the laws that are on the books!

        Law enforcement officers simply need to be fitted with cameras allowing them to capture the video evidence of these ‘fighting words’, and ARREST THESE CRETINS!!”

        Sounds like a great idea! Except the police in this situation sat idly by and watched while assaults took place. Watched it…and that’s with a clear-cut crime in progress. Now you want police to interpret Constitutional law on-the-spot, and open themselves up to lawsuits if they don’t properly apply the ‘fighting words’ standard. I certainly don’t envy the police, in that type of situation.

        BTW, you had a good post going until…

        “See, we on the left are, and always have been, the reasonable ones.
        We respect and value free speech. We don’t desire to pass reprehensible new laws, as is the want of Republicans.”

        That’s just plain laughable. Anybody who thinks their side of the political spectrum has cornered the market on ‘reasonable laws’ is a narcissist at best, and a fascist at worst.

        A little sampling of some leftist gold…

        “Pigs in a blanket…fry ’em like bacon!”
        “What do we want? DEAD COPS! When do we want it? NOW”

        Yes…always reasonable.

      • Anonymous says:

        Your conclusion sounds an awful lot like the shockingly ignorant argument your president tried to make in the lobby of Trump Tower.

        You imagine, like Trump, that vile words uttered on one or two occasions by a couple dozen fringe actors and played on a loop by a fear mongering right wing media, are the equivalent of, on average, 300 -acts- of right wing violence on America’s streets every year.

        -acts of violence-

        Violence perpetrated by the same right wing terrorist leaders are promising much, much more violence in the coming months. Much more death.
        Right wing terrorists who’ve found new inspiration, new fuel for their rage, in the support and succor of your president.

        There are dozens of reports pointing to the rise in right wing violence. Violence that spiked dramatically upon the election of America’s first black president. Violence that has remained dangerously elevated ever since.
        Dozens Of Reports detailing the violent proclivities of right wing ideology.
        Extensive research, by highly educated people who have studied violence for a living, people working for organizations like the FBI, Department of Homeland Security, Harvard, West Point’s Combating Terror Center and more.

        But you’ve got a 22 second clip, on a loop, played ad infinitum on Breitbart, Alex Jones and Fox News.

      • Oracle says:

        GK, that’s a false equivalence. One can find a crazy person in any group. Problem is there are far more in the right groups than left, and they have far more than support from the rank and file.

      • The Grundle King says:

        Learn to read…both of you.

        I made no equivalence and drew no comparisons.

        When you say “we on the left”, you’re pulling in the entire lump…including the far left fringe. I mean, it’s only fair really, when you seem more than willing to throw someone like me…a moderate conservative who leans libertarian…in with the lunatics and racists on the far right.

        When you say you’re “always” the reasonable ones, you leave no room for exception. But clearly the entirety of the left is not always reasonable.

        Words have meanings. Shocking, I know.

        The entirety of your arguments at this point appears to be little more than moral grandstanding, boiled down to, “I am more virtuous than thou art!” I abhor violence committed in the name of ANY political ideology…but it doesn’t appear that you two can say the same. It appears you’re more than willing to support and/or engage in ‘righteous’ violence…and because you on the left (always the reasonable ones) are the only ones capable of determining what is good and just…then violence in support of your cause will always be righteous.

      • Oracle says:

        GK, I was specifically referring to “Pigs in a blanket…fry ’em like bacon!”
        “What do we want? DEAD COPS! When do we want it? NOW”
        Yes…always reasonable.

        You’ll find less than .0001% on the left that would agree with that, so why use it as an example of the left being unreasonable?

      • Anonymous says:

        “The entirety of your arguments at this point appears to be little more than moral grandstanding, ”

        Should have picked this up, long ago.
        You’re ideology has asphyxiated your ability to comprehend.

        It is you who have offered only opinion. Opinion strikingly aligned with the dementia exhibited by Donald Trump.

        It is I who provided citations of Supreme Court precedent that clearly render moot your argument.
        It is I who provided citations and references to the most definitive studies in existence on modern day violence – all of it conclusive, all of it warning of the growing dangers of right wing terrorism fueled by right wing ideology and aberrant religious views almost exclusive to the right.

        In response, you’ve offered your Trump-esque opinion, paired with one citation of a rare, isolated instance of virulent hate speech by two small groups of fringe protesters.
        Protesters who are no more likely to align with democrats, or the left, than are Wiccans.
        A smattering of protesters, who your ideology requires you to lump in with the left, that have proven to be just as likely to protest Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton, as they are Donald Trump.

    • repenting lawyer says:

      GK you are right on the limited scope of fighting words cases, if you accept Thomas’s dissent in second cross burning case, the history of KKK attire and Nazi flag could allow for an expansion of category. Second Amendment as currently read would not protect type of weapons being brought to demonstrations or maybe even permit bar to all weapons at demonsttrations,since cases still emphasize self defense at home rationale for 2nd Amendment, though State statutes and constitutions might now permit..An argument could be made that armed groups are inherently intimidating which would take these situations out of pure speech and com with scope of criminal liability allowed in second cross burning case.

      • The Grundle King says:

        I see a whole lot of “could” and “maybe”, but nothing definitive. What you’re offering is your opinion as a lawyer, not a definitive legal opinion. Thanks anyways, though.

      • repenting lawyer says:

        GK, I think it unlikely that the SCOTUS would expand fighting words though there are arguments, as I noted. On Second Amendment, so far cases say small arms at home so a weapons ban is a strong could, unless SCOTUS adopted broader right. Even then scope of review, so far, is rational basis with deference so, which might allow for weapons ban at rallies. Guns are more likely to be treated as supporting an inference of intent to intimidate without further evidence of intent unlike cross burning. Labor cases on picketing tended to allow broader regulation because of intimidation. But SCOTUS has last word, until then it it is all could.

      • The Grundle King says:

        “But SCOTUS has last word, until then it it is all could.”

        You could have just posted that, and saved some time.

  25. anonymous says:

    “We went into the weekend worrying about Kim Jong Un starting a war. We came out of it wondering if our president is cutting eye holes out of his bedsheets,”
    Jimmy Kimmel

  26. notbynd says:

    Trump says “One side was bad and the other side was violent.” Huh. Why am I think of Goldwater saying “Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.” Of course those were Goldwater’s speechwriter, Karl Hess’ words. Hess was an anarchist, but a job’s a job.

  27. Sigmund says:

    Donald Trump is a Klan-sympathizing P.O.S.

    He stepped in front the cameras today to rub giant hands full of shit in his hair for all the world to see.

    David Duke was moved to tears, taking to twitter to thank Trump for his overt display of carnivalesque bigotry.

    No one alive today has witnessed such a reprehensible display of ignorance from an American president.

  28. anonymous says:

    The U.S. has 28,500 troops stationed in South Korea.

    Their President of South Korea just chose to publicly flip to the bird to the bloviating orange menace that currently defiles our White House:
    “Only the Republic of Korea can make the decision for military action on the Korean Peninsula,”

    Any of you Trumpers tired of all that winning, yet?

    • notbynd says:

      Every time Trump does anything – a speech, a tweet, a picture – he puts another dime into the Democratic oppos piggy bank. That bank will be cashed out for the 2018 Midterms. Dems don’t win very much and don’t have to win very much to take the US Senate. The House will be harder but Trump is doing his best to make change easy.

      • anonymous says:

        From your lips to FSM’s tortellini shaped ears.
        I have so little faith in the democratic party. Some great candidates, perpetually horrible messaging and strategy.

        And I have less faith in the American electorate.
        In a Gallup poll released only 10 hours ago, 85% of Republicans still view Trump a “strong and decisive leader”. 47% of all Americans share that same view.

        Even after the unremitting cataclysm of events, dating to last November.. 85%!
        It’s impossible not to come to the stark realization that we’ve devolved into a nation of rubes.

  29. Trump had to dissolve his two business advisory councils, because there were mass resignations of CEOs. Decent, free market capitalists want nothing to do with him. Decent people everywhere want nothing to do with him. But some here are still defending him.

    • anonymous says:

      But wait.. it was only 24 hours ago that a twittering Trump boasted:
      “For every CEO that drops out of the Manufacturing Council, I have many to take their place. Grandstanders should not have gone on,”

      Toxic abroad. Toxic at home.
      But beloved by David Duke, most of Nebraska’s elected officials and the faithful who still defend him here.

      • And the real irony is, he’ll never accept that he ruined one more thing by his inability to keep his pie-hole shut. Because one feature of NPD is being unable to see any defects in oneself.

      • there is no party of saviors says:

        Not much different from many of the pie holes on here.

        Can’t wait for the socialist and antifa fascist to come rescue us.

        The country will have the same disastrous choices in the elections to come. Because that is how dysfunctional both parties are.

        Do you think the Dems will add a blank to their platform to eradicate Downs syndrome from our country like Iceland/Europe? Now there’s a world view progressives can buy into. Britain 90% are aborted and Denmark is expected to be Downs free by 2030.

        It’s called progressive supremacists.

      • so your really anti Downs syndrome says:

        So anitbynd,

        I advocate against the eradication of downs syndrome people world wide by aobrtion and you say that that makes more challenges for your nephew. So explain that.

        All I can get is that you think more Downs syndrome people will hurt your nephew some how. Which would also explain why you don’t condemn such eradication.

  30. bynd says:

    GK,

    I saw this a lot as a union rep in the Federal government. Management tries to discipline some one. The union has to make sure that the rules are followed. Because that is why we have them and why there are unions. Management will tell you what they did is wrong. You say, follow the rules and prove it. (In a couple of cases I gave them step by step instructions and they still couldn’t get it right.) Then management, and some other employees, claim you are protecting a bad employee.

    The fact is you are protecting the process and the rules. The same as you would do for any one because that is the moral and proper thing to do. And if you pick and choose who you will apply them too, well, we all know how that will go.

    No one here is protecting the white supremacist etc. But they are advocating for the law and rules. The others can’t argue against that so they keep throwing the straw man in of the white guys being the bad guys.

    Which shows the rule of law is of no consequence to them. Remember, the lady with the balancing weights is blindfolded. Many here are just blinded by their agenda. Which is exactly why the Constitution was written the way it was. to keep the majority from running over the minorities. 3000 on the supremacist side. .000009+ of the population of the USA. And this country can’t find a way to deal with them in less violent and more civil way. (Yet they expect civil to work that way with NK.) The fools/stupid are not the 3000. It’s the other 323 million + that just can’t figure it out.

  31. Anonymous says:

    Rule of Law and Constitutionality? Get a grip! Nobody is buying that dogma anymore. Everybody knows that the rich run things pretty much the way they want it. And that’s their prerogative ’cause they can pay. It’s the legislators and executives being bought that need disposing of before we can get to moral imperatives waged by and upon the people.

    The people wouldn’t be demonstrating, violently or otherwise, if they realized any satisfaction with what their leaders are doing. Power to the People!

    • notbynd says:

      The counterprotesters have their own “leaders,” some of whom are dubious and crave power. For them it’s “power to some people.” They have to be reigned in, monitored, evaluated and eventually removed. Many people are in leadership and management positions, but holding a position does not establish the fact. Effective managers are rare. True leaders are nearly nonexistent. And even a real leader must have a metaphorical ax over her or his head at all times. Beware!

      • anon says:

        Who is the counter protesters you refer to? What council is going to reign in, monitor, evaluate, and remove?

  32. Anonymous says:

    It will be a fitting end when your president resigns in a fit of pique in the coming months.
    Resigns before Mueller has the opportunity file charges of serial money laundering against Trump and family, along with multiple violations of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.

    Fitting, because the modern iteration of the GOP is crying out for the justice of a half-term, clownish grifter of a president to bookend their half-term, clownish grifter of a governor.
    Kind of a yin and yang thing, if you know what I mean.

  33. Anonymous says:

    There is no bottom for Donald Trump.

    He heaps humiliation upon embarrassment and blankets it all in degradation, then starts the cycle anew.

    He just tweeted out a wholly fabricated story about General John J. Pershing torturing of Muslims.
    An a-historical fabrication he had previously shared on the campaign trail.
    A fabrication which garnered him universal mockery.
    Apparently the myriad of articles and news stories pointing out his Pershing tale was a lie, failed to penetrate his right wing, Fox & Friends universe.

    Trump waits days to address right wing domestic terrorism on a college campus in Virginia, less than a 3 hour drive from the White House. Because although he’s got the world’s greatest intelligence agencies at his beck and call, he feels the need to “wait for the facts”.
    Yet, within hours, he’s weighing on a still unfolding, still smoldering terrorist attack across the world, in Spain.
    And by weighing in, I mean implying that the world should maybe do what the great Generals in American history have done – commit war crimes by taking up the practice of torturing Muslims.

    • You would think Nebraskans, even Nebraska Trumpkins, would rise up to defend Black Jack Pershing, who from 1891-95 was Professor of Military Science and Tactics at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln and graduated from UNL law school in 1893, founding the Pershing Rifles in 1895.

      And he suppressed actual Mexican invaders, not DACAs.

      And he won a Pulitzer.

      And he’s still the only American to be promoted during his lifetime to General of the Armies, the highest possible rank in the US Army.

  34. half the story, again says:

    Interesting, but predictable that those who believe that Chaplinsky is the be all end all of “fighting words.”

    Why do they neglect cases such as, Street v New York, Cohen v California, Gooding v Wilson, R.A.V. v the city of St. Paul, all of which narrow Chaplinsky.

    Chaplinsky is not, by itself, the whole picture on fighting words. Why did you skip all the other Supreme Court decisions?

  35. half the story, again says:

    “You’ll find less than .0001% on the left that would agree with that, so why use it as an example of the left being unreasonable?”

    Here’s the rest of the story.

    BLM protestors in New York City chanting, “What do we want? Dead Cops! When do we want it? Now!”

    message posted by the African American Defense League urging its followers to “hold a barbeque” and “sprinkle Pigs Blood

    or the Facebook posting by a man in Detroit following the slaying of five Dallas police officers which read, “All lives cn’t matter until black lives matter. Kill all white cops.

    Darkness cannot drive out darkness, only light can do that.
    Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.”

      • anonymous says:

        But Oracle, you fail to give due credence to bynd’s stunning findings.

        Why, I myself have stumbled across similar virulence.
        Consider the time I saw a MySpace page featuring the image of a moderately disheveled young male dressed in a light blue cardigan and blue jeans (it appeared the cardigan was made of a very nice quality poplin, and featured fabric covered buttons in an attractive, offsetting cerulean blue).
        Embroidered on the upper right (significant placement.. no?) of that cardigan was a symbol eerily reminiscent of a Coat of Arms one might find in a pre-unified Germany, or even Moldova.

        Certainly, sporting all that blue and adorned with that evil-ish needlework, this person was a crazed leftist, intent of god knows what kind of psychotic rampage on unsuspecting Americans.

        SEE – PROOF!!
        BOTH SIDES!!!

      • anonymous says:

        Oh darn!
        I left out the most horrifying part, which is what that disheveled young man was doing while dressed up in his violent leftist, blue uniform of death!

        He was reaching over to drop what looked like a quarter into a jar. A jar that had a paper label taped to it that said:
        ‘DIRTY WORDS’

        SEE!! THE LEFT IS EVIL!!
        We’ve got PROOF that it’s.. BOTH SIDES!!
        PROOF that these crazed leftists are working to fund a coming revolution! A revolution certain to tear apart our nation – the only nation on earth that God has chosen to bless – the only nation on earth founded in white Christianity!

      • half the story, again says:

        Oracle,
        The .0001% is your number. You defend it.

        I’ve already proven 12 sec to be bogus.

      • half the story, again says:

        Anonymous,

        The 3000 alt right guys compromise, .000009% of the population of America. It is nice to know under your way of figuring things, that is all there has ever been, all there is now and all there will ever be.

        I’ll sleep much better tonight knowing the supremacist left will not grow either. And as they die, there will just be one less.

        However as you folks have shown, hysterical stupid is growing at an exponential rate.

        What was you said further up, Power to the people.

        Howard Dean rises like a Phoenix from the ashes.

        And before you get your panties in another tight wad, Google supremacist.

      • Oracle says:

        If you don’t like it, you disprove it. The point is the problem is far, far worse on your side. And most of your brethren have no problem with anti-societal behavior by those on their fringes (but on their side). The left is far less tribal.

      • notoracle says:

        Oracle, the problem is, you’ve pulled all of that out of your butt and have no objective evidence to back it up. It is your opinion as someone who deems himself, or herself, so much better than every one else.

        But that is why supremacists is a good title for you. Which puts you in the same category as those who did the marching last weekend.

      • The Grundle King says:

        “If you don’t like it, you disprove it. The point is the problem is far, far worse on your side. And most of your brethren have no problem with anti-societal behavior by those on their fringes (but on their side). The left is far less tribal.”

        Total cop-out.

      • Sigmund says:

        It’s not a “cop-out” at all.

        It’s the truth.
        A truth backed by reams of data complied over decades. Data subjected to rigorous academic study, studies whose conclusions are all strikingly concordant.

        Because America is filled with fact-averse, science denying rubes, weened on a daily diet of lies and misinformation disgorged by a profiteering right wing media, doesn’t make those facts and that science any less veracious.

      • James Douglas says:

        bynd Myspace which was so 2009, a coat of arms that you can’t name. Wow that is proof. You blame the victim of Nazi terrorist, nor have you not condemn the killing of a person and the injuring of 19 other by a Nazi on American soil and Your statement white Christianity. Proves on thing that you are a NAZI period. You may not have been marching with them. But you are just a scary. Because you hind behind a computer screen pretending to just a regular person. But you have shown yourself to the every essence of hate in America. But then again you would not be the one closing the oven door. Just one that sits by and lets it happen. That what makes you a good person

      • The Grundle King says:

        So Oracle asserts that the ‘unhinged’ left makes up 0.0001% of the total left.

        Then, when asked to prove the veracity of his “0.0001%” figure, he says that anybody who doesn’t like it should disprove it.

        But that’s not a cop out. Sure.

        And as far as the left being “far less tribal”…apparently you’ve never watched the Nebraska Legislature in action.

      • Oracle says:

        That’s a flawed comparison, GK, because the Dems are such a minority in the Legislature and their constituencies are very similar (all from Omaha and Lincoln). A good example of tribalism is the large number (67%) of Republicans that were okay with Trump’s Charlottesville statement. Either a large number of Rs are fine with white nationalists, or a large number are blindly okay with anything their president says because he’s part of their tribe. Take your pick.

        There’s an old saying that getting Democrats to agree is like herding cats. I’ve never heard anything remotely similar said about Republicans.

      • The Grundle King says:

        Perhaps my comparison is flawed.

        That doesn’t make your made-up statistic anything more than pure BS.

  36. half the story, again says:

    I see a grand jury in DC has returned and indictment. How long until Debbie gets caught up?

    And another 12 seconds, “I hope Trump is assassinated!” state Sen. Maria Chappelle-Nadal wrote. And it isn’t even Maxine.

    Could Anonymous be wrong? Can such a movement grow? Did the quarter pay off? LOL

  37. anon says:

    Rohrabacher and Assange.

    Amazing.

    What, Benedict Arnold and Squeaky Fromme not available?

    “There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump. Swear to God.”
    – Republican House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy, May 17, 2017

    In April, CIA Director Mike Pompeo (TEA Party Republican) went so far as to call WikiLeaks a “non-state hostile intelligence service often abetted by state actors like Russia.”
    As for Assange, Pompeo called him a “narcissist who has created nothing of value. He relies on the dirty work of others to make himself famous. He is a fraud — a coward hiding behind a screen.”

    Rohrabacher has long been known to have an unseemly relationship with Vladmir Putin and Russia. Rohrabacher was warned in 2012 by the FBI that Russian spies may have been trying to recruit him to act on Russia’s behalf, after he met with a member of the Russian foreign ministry privately in Moscow.
    (and all evidence points to the Russians being successful in their recruitment efforts – see The Atlantic story below)

    Following the ISIS terrorist attacks in Tehran on June 7th, 2017, in which 17 innocent civilians were killed, Rohrabacher suggested that the attack could be viewed as ‘a good thing’, and surmised that President Trump might have been behind the coordination of this terrorist attack.

    And only a month ago, on July 18, The Atlantic magazine did a deep dive into activities, bordering on treason, of Dana Rohrabacher. Theypublished a story titled:
    “Russian Anti-Sanctions Campaign Turned to California Congressman”
    with the subheading:
    “U.S. diplomats were concerned about Russian outreach to House Republican Dana Rohrabacher while on a trip to Moscow last year.”

    Breathtaking gullibility for someone to tout the efforts of Rohrabacher and Assange.
    Clearly, there are no depths too great to plumb if it supports your seriously deranged ideology.

    • anon says:

      Many of the things you say are true, according to other “sources”, Be one constant is wiki has released a lot of factual info. Deranged ideology, the kind that has to frame a candidate in their own party that’s a clown to beat him

      • anon says:

        It was January of this year that Ted Cruz called WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange a threat to the United States and someone who has already hurt U.S. national security.
        “Assange has done enormous damage to our national security,” Cruz told radio host Hugh Hewitt. “I would not be praising him under any circumstances.”

        And it’s not just Trump’s own CIA Director who has called Assange abd WikiLeaks a threat to our national security. Gen Michael Hayden, is a retired four-star general who ran the CIA under George W Bush after being Director of the National Security Agency has said the same.
        On March 8, 2017, Hayden slammed WikiLeaks following their damaging release of classified CIA documents — saying: “I’m now pretty close to the position that WikiLeaks is acting as an arm, as an agent of the Russian Federation.”

        But of course, it is only Donald Trump who declared of this threat the America: “I love WikiLeaks”, during campaign rally, while reading from hacked Democratic National Committee emails that damaged his opponent, the former Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton.

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